What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

By the way, they rewrote the law, for Jinx.

That's bullshit political correctness. Just because the law says you can't racially profile doesn't mean it won't happen any more than laws against unethical behavior by our legislators work. You'd think people could understand that.

Originally Posted by Redux

Ah...I get it now.

They are big on states rights....until a state legislates in a manner they dont like. Then they wave the Constitution.

Conservatives believe that the person closest to the decision should have the job of making the decision. Unless that person is deciding what gender to marry or whether to have an abortion. Then it's the conservatives' job to make the decision.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

All of them?

Many legal experts who have expressed concern about the law have only the Constitution in mind.

sure they do.

You can ignore the legal issues and attempt to make it all about politics and money. As convenient as it might be to deflect the argument away from the legal questions, that in itself is acting politically.

First off, I am not ignoring the legal issues. Secondly, everything about this is political. If you don't think it is, you are sadly mistaken or ...
Something needs to be done. Arizona has asked the current and past administrations for help. They ignored them. Now they are doing something to solve the problem. That's a good thing. Is it constitutional - dunno, thats for the lawyers to decide. Either way, it certainly has brought the illegal immigration to the forefront.

I honestly dont understand what is so wrong with having the federal judiciary determine the constitutionality of the AZ law . Perhaps you can explain why that would be so bad.

Where did I say it would? You're very good at wording your comments, much like a politician, where claims are put onto another person/poster when they weren't made by that person/poster.

As an aside:
While not pointing any fingers here, [/quote]
Pulease

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Conservatives believe that the person closest to the decision should have the job of making the decision. Unless that person is deciding what gender to marry or whether to have an abortion. Then it's the conservatives' job to make the decision.

To quote you - That's bullshit.

Originally Posted by classicman

sure they do.


First off, I am not ignoring the legal issues. Secondly, everything about this is political. If you don't think it is, you are sadly mistaken or ...
Something needs to be done. Arizona has asked the current and past administrations for help. They ignored them. Now they are doing something to solve the problem. That's a good thing. Is it constitutional - dunno, thats for the lawyers to decide. Either way, it certainly has brought the illegal immigration to the forefront.


Where did I say it would? You're very good at wording your comments, much like a politician, where claims are put onto another person/poster when they weren't made by that person/poster.

As an aside:
While not pointing any fingers here,

Pulease

Do you ever give politicians credit for acting altruistically? Or in this case, legal experts with nothing to gain.

I certainly have never seen it.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

... Arizona has asked the current and past administrations for help. They ignored them....

See? It's all Bush's fault!

Originally Posted by classicman

To quote you - That's bullshit.

You really don't think that's true? Think about it....

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You really don't think that's true? Think about it....

I would also suggest to Classic that he rethink his assertion that ALL of those legal experts, local officials, police chiefs, etc. who have expressed concern about the law have done so for political or financial reasons.