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Old 04-20-2010, 02:57 AM   #1
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I second pretty much everything Dana has said (and said quite well, I thought).

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Not if what you do on in the comfort of your own home affects what you do on company time. What i f you are a doctor on call and you're high as shit when "the call" comes?
This applies just as much to alcohol.
It is part of a doctor's duty, if they are on call, to stay capable of responding. So it is not connected to the "privacy of my own home" argument.

On that topic, this is a well-explored problem with the liberty principle. Suppose we consider the liberty principle as: you can do what you like to yourself, provided that you don't harm others.

The obvious problem is that no person is an island, and virtually everything everyone does affects others. Recall that woman who wanted to reach 1,000 lbs? Well, the *main* harm falls on her: she'll die early. But there will be many other effects: her child will receive less parenting from her than otherwise, she will be less economically productive and contribute less socially, and incur extra health care costs.

So the liberty principle needs to be reformulated. In social philosophy, that debate is still underway.
In the meantime (and as part of the debate) what we can do is look at lots of examples that we generally agree on.
People are allowed to be obese or very underweight; even deliberately so. People are allowed to go skydiving (1 in 4,000 chance of chute failure), fishing (kills about 50 Australians per year) or do boxing (causes brain damage). We're allowed to drink and smoke, binge on cheese and chocolate, and sit on our increasingly increasing posteriors and guzzle mass-media.

In all of these cases there is harm to the individual and some cost to society. Most are in some sense addictive.
Yet an individual is "allowed" to make decisions about doing these things.
Can anyone tell me a good reason why recreational drugs should be treated differently?
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Old 04-20-2010, 03:03 PM   #2
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Can anyone tell me a good reason why recreational drugs should be treated differently?
I think it was Terrence McKenna's book, "Food of the Gods" where he makes the argument that the only drugs that are sanctioned by society, are what he calls "industrial drugs." That is, drugs that make you a good industrial worker.
Caffeine to get you going in the morning and keep you going all day,Nicotine to keep your mind sharp, Then booze to take the edge off the caffeine and help you forget what a miserable shitty job you are enslaved to, sleeping pills to help you sleep so you are ready to get up and go again and even regular speed is tolerated as diet pills or to help you stay awake. The penalties for speed are lighter than for narcotics.

He posits that narcotics and psychedlics are not tolerated because they do not enhance your value as an industrial worker. Psychedelics especially since they encourage questioning of the status quo.
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