Mar 28, 2010: Chinese Deodorant Cannons - Page 2

glatt · 03-30-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

it is a little rich to spend hundreds of years fucking up the planet in new and creative ways and then within a decade or so of becoming aware of our part in that planetary clusterfuck, to then point our collective finger at communist countries, or China in particular and call them bastards for doing the same.

Good point. But what about the concept of learning from the mistakes and successes of others? China is an expert in this area. (Which is a polite way of saying they steal all our intellectual property.) They learn everything they know from us, and they decide to reject the knowledge that they find inconvenient. They know pollution is bad, because they saw the West go through that period. But they have made the decision that they don't care. We can certainly judge them for knowingly choosing the path of polluting the planet we all share.

Undertoad · 03-30-2010, 09:55 AM

We regulated all the pollution away.

We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.

Trilby · 03-30-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

We regulated all the pollution away.

We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.

Gosh, I miss my OSHA days...

makes me misty for my MSDS book....

glatt · 03-30-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

We regulated all the pollution away.

Very true. But China doesn't have to allow the pollution. We decided we didn't want any, so we regulated it away. We can't control China. China needs to decide for itself if it's going to regulate their pollution away. If they clean up their act, Walmart won't be so cheap anymore, but that would be good for the West because then we would be able to compete with China on a level field.

Pete Zicato · 03-30-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

that would be good for the West because then we would be able to compete with China on a level field.

Not really. They would still have cheaper labor.

spudcon · 03-30-2010, 07:20 PM

And they don't have to pay royalty or patent payments to American inventors, artists or industry.

chrisinhouston · 03-31-2010, 11:29 AM

I've been to Taiwan and Shanghai and I can honestly say that while visiting both I have smelled smells that I have never encountered in any other place on this planet that I have been!

Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air? Perhaps the smell of Shaoxing Wine and Chinkiang vinegar as it hits a hot wok?

SPUCK · 04-01-2010, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisinhouston

Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air?

Usually it is NOT a fragrance at all. It's a high tech chemical that flat out stops you from smelling the target stench. It's insanely effective and the chemical companies charge a bundle for it. It's used in many places.

Many US landfills use it in misting systems. You can buy systems to snuff out most noxious odors. Often places that have a lot of garbage like a large apartment complex can install units. The units often have wind detection to shut down the expensive spray if the wind blows hard enough to dilute the bad odors or if the prevailing wind blows the stink away from any complainers.

If they are using the smell quenching chemical in that truck above, then the amount they're spraying would knock down a huge amount of putricity.

DanaC · 04-01-2010, 06:01 AM

Wow. I did not know that Spuck.

Griff · 04-01-2010, 06:34 AM

Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose?

Undertoad · 04-01-2010, 11:01 AM

Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.

spudcon · 04-01-2010, 02:37 PM

Formaldehyde has been doing that for a long time.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-02-2010, 12:00 AM

So has Cocaine.

SPUCK · 04-02-2010, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose?

Neither. As I recall it bonds with the stink molecules and changes their shape so they change how they smell. I actually am marginally associated with a controller for dispensing this stuff. I had it all explained to me a long while ago. I need to get a refresher course from them.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.

I don't believe it's a numbing agent exactly but yes some of the home sprays have the same or similar stuff in them.

Shawnee123 · 04-02-2010, 07:28 AM

So Febreeze doesn't make things less smelly, it just inhibits ability to smell the offending object?

Can one develop a Febreeze immunity?

03-30-2010, 07:20 PM	#21
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	And they don't have to pay royalty or patent payments to American inventors, artists or industry. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

04-01-2010, 06:34 AM	#25
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Does it actually strip the poop molecules from the air or does it mess with the human nose? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-01-2010, 02:37 PM	#27
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	Formaldehyde has been doing that for a long time. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

04-02-2010, 12:00 AM	#28
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So has Cocaine. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-02-2010, 07:28 AM	#30
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	So Febreeze doesn't make things less smelly, it just inhibits ability to smell the offending object? Can one develop a Febreeze immunity? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-30-2010, 09:55 AM	#17
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	We regulated all the pollution away. We made it utterly expensive to make things, and then all the manufacturing moved to places where the regulations didn't exist, so it was still cheap. You want to use this industrial solvent? Well, you'll have to build a special room for it, and then you'll have to capture the fumes, and the waste, and dispose of it in an ultra-expensive way, and keep records for it all. Or you could have it made in a place where they don't care and just throw the waste in the river, saving you millions.

03-31-2010, 11:29 AM	#22
chrisinhouston Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,857	I've been to Taiwan and Shanghai and I can honestly say that while visiting both I have smelled smells that I have never encountered in any other place on this planet that I have been! Wonder what kind of fragrance they spray into the air? Perhaps the smell of Shaoxing Wine and Chinkiang vinegar as it hits a hot wok?

04-01-2010, 11:01 AM	#26
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yeh, I've heard it is a numbing agent for the scent glands in your nose, and I've heard some of the stuff you can spray in your house does the same thing.

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