Suicidal friend

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Datalyss

Call it want you want. IMO, if you'd rather kill yourself than deal with your life, you might as well be remembered as a coward. Deciding not to kill yourself, for whatever reason, is not cowardice, it's bravery. It says that your brave enough to go on dealing with your life.

You obviously have never been suicidal and completely have no idea what it is like to be suicidal. First, for the most part, suicidal thoughts are completely irrational. And I don't mean that in condescending way since those thoughts are almost impossible to control. If you have ever had bad cases of anxiety you would know this.

Second, depression is, at least from my experience, the ultimate feeling of emptiness. And that emptiness is what leads people to suicide. You lose all your drive and motivation. When you have that feeling of emptiness, you feel there simply is no point in going on.

Neither of those have anything to do with not being able to "handle life". Expecting a truly depressed person to control those emotions can honestly be similar to expecting a diabetic to naturally balance their blood sugar levels. Much of it is purely physical.

[Datalyss]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You obviously have never been suicidal and completely have no idea what it is like to be suicidal.

Wrong!

Ya' know what, fergit this. If you wanna mislead yourself to think suicide is justified in certain situations, that's your damn problem. As for me, even a stray suicidal thought here 'n' there can't make me take my own life. I can always bring myself out of it.

Don't bother replying. I'm done in this thread.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Datalyss

I can always bring myself out of it.

That is why my statement still stands.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

First, for the most part, suicidal thoughts are completely irrational.

Not to the person who is having them. From the individual's perspective they are making a reasoned, logical, and completely rational choice.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by wolf

Not to the person who is having them. From the individual's perspective they are making a reasoned, logical, and completely rational choice.

Well of course. My point is that suicidal people are not in the same logical mindset that non-suicidal people are, which argues against Datalyss' argument that these people are weak minded or cowards. You don't fully realize how irrational your thoughts have been until you completely come out of the depression or other mental state.

[Tulip]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

First, for the most part, suicidal thoughts are completely irrational.

Originally Posted by wolf

Not to the person who is having them. From the individual's perspective they are making a reasoned, logical, and completely rational choice.

Not always true. Even when a person knows suicide isn't the way to go, he/she simply doesn't want to be around anymore, doesn't want to feel the pain anymore.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Tulip

Not always true. Even when a person knows suicide isn't the way to go, he/she simply doesn't want to be around anymore, doesn't want to feel the pain anymore.

That is why I said "for the most part". Every suicidal person is suicidal for different reasons and I want to make the point to not to generalize all suicidal people in that manner you are speaking of.

Some people can snap out of depressions with a positive mindset. Some people's depression is a physical chemical imbalance that needs medicine to fix. It is not valid to generalize all depressed people in either category but it is more dangerous to generalize all depressed people in the first category.

The same concept applies to suicidal people. Some people are making a rational decision and some people aren't. It is not valid to generalize all suicidal people in either category but it is more dangerous to generalize all in the first.

[xoxoxoBruce]

These suicide notes were gathered at the coroners' offices by a suicidologist/psychiatrist who asked to be anonymous. He edited identifying details out of the compiled manuscript, and we changed the names. But the text of each letter plus the age and sex given are real. All these people did kill themselves. Were they ambivalent about it? About half the hundred or so letters we saw seemed to have some element of doubt.

The notes.

[dmg1969]

Suicide is never the answer. I had a brother-in-law who committed suicide and it about destroyed my sister...and his best friend who found him.

He and my sister had been separated but hoped to eventually get back together. He had let a friend move in with him. This friend was cooking speed (meth, I guess) and my BIL let him because it helped him with his restless legs syndrome. Anyway, the DEA was onto the friend and busted them one day. After my BIL's parents bailed him out of jail, he went into his auto body shop on the property, clamped a shotgun in a vise, sat in front of it in his office chair and pulled the trigger using a string.

My BIL had called his best friend to come over. He put a note on the main door telling his friend not to come in...rather to call the police. Unfortunately, his friend used a different door and found him. Very messy from what I heard.

He had given into the threats of the people arresting him...tons of jail time and a million dollar fine, etc. He just couldn't stand the thought of it. For him, it seemed like the logical thing at the time, I suppose. To the rest of us, it was senseless and a waste.

I am of the opinion that there is always an alternate solution. But, I suppose it's different when you are the one it's happening to.

[morethanpretty]

Originally Posted by dmg1969

But, I suppose it's different when you are the one it's happening to.

This.