Impeding changes to our Health Care system

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The real costs of Healthcare.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/mary-kat...y-on-cost.html

The unsigned () partisan opinion column doesnt quite have it right.

Most of the spending costs dont begin until the fourth year when the Exchanges would kick-in to cover those 30+ milliion currently w/o insurance. It also ignores spending cuts, like the $150 billion cut to MA providers.

IMO, the only questionable data in the CBO analysis of the long-term budgetary impact is the anticipated savings resulting from greater efficiencies. The tax and spending data is pretty straight forward and unambiguous.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by Redux

The unsigned () partisan opinion column doesnt quite have it right.

Most of the spending costs dont begin until the fourth year when the Exchanges would kick-in to cover those 30+ milliion currently w/o insurance. It also ignores spending cuts, like the $150 billion cut to MA providers.

IMO, the only questionable data in the CBO analysis of the long-term budgetary impact is the anticipated savings resulting from greater efficiencies. The tax and spending data is pretty straight forward and unambiguous.

Oooo! You said a nasty word - CBO. We all know they're a group of commie sympathizers - from the GUBMENT!

[TheMercenary]

Sam I wouldn't go to that extent, but they are an in-put : out-put organization. They take whatever data they are given and make an estimation of it. They don't factor in many parts of the equation, only the data they are given. That being said it can all look rosey based on the data they are given.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Sam I wouldn't go to that extent, but they are an in-put : out-put organization. They take whatever data they are given and make an estimation of it.

So let me see if I have this right. Facts lie because they are only facts.

Can I quote you?

[TheMercenary]

The president and the two congressional leaders are so blinded by their
ideology, so bullheaded in accomplishing a radical transformation of
health care, that they've discarded the common sense and instinct for
self-preservation that usually governs politicians' actions. Instead,
this triumvirate makes rationalizations for support of a proposal that's
been DOA almost from its inception.

Yet all three Democratic leaders are taking a calculated gamble: if they
can impose govern-run health care, they'll establish the framework for
Democratic dominance for years to come, even if that means short-term
election losses. Once government-run health care is a fait accompli, all
three believe practical minded Americans will switch from outright
opposition to trying to "improve" the government-run health care model,
similar to what Americans have done for decades with failing public
school systems.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-oba...t-quit-pushing
-health-care-reform/

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The president and the two congressional leaders are so blinded by their
ideology, so bullheaded in accomplishing a radical transformation of
health care, that they've discarded the common sense and instinct for
self-preservation that usually governs politicians' actions. Instead,
this triumvirate makes rationalizations for support of a proposal that's
been DOA almost from its inception.

Yet all three Democratic leaders are taking a calculated gamble: if they
can impose govern-run health care, they'll establish the framework for
Democratic dominance for years to come, even if that means short-term
election losses. Once government-run health care is a fait accompli, all
three believe practical minded Americans will switch from outright
opposition to trying to "improve" the government-run health care model,
similar to what Americans have done for decades with failing public
school systems.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/why-oba...t-quit-pushing
-health-care-reform/

You asked me to point out when you post partisan opinion links as I noted that you do repeatedly.

Bingo! Pajama Media.

The ones who last year hired Joe the Plumber as a Mid East correspondent.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You asked me to point out when you post partisan opinion links as I noted that you do repeatedly.

You must be thinking of classic. I don't believe I ever asked for your assistance.

[classicman]

Don't you dare even mention my name - either of you.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Don't you dare even mention my name - either of you.

Classicman.

Let the flames begin.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

Don't you dare even mention my name - either of you.

My only point was that I never asked for this policy wankers assistance on anything.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

My only point was that I never asked for this policy wankers assistance on anything.

My point was that you post more partisan links than anyone...even as you deny it and tell me to "prove it"... and I will keep pointing them out to prove it.

[Happy Monkey]

Alan Grayson is awesome.

Congressman Alan Grayson, D-Fla., today introduced a bill (H.R. 4789) which would give the option to buy into Medicare to every citizen of the United States. The “Public Option Act,” also known as the “Medicare You Can Buy Into Act,” would open up the Medicare network to anyone who can pay for it.
...
The bill would require the Secretary of Health and Human Services to establish enrollment periods, coverage guidelines, and premiums for the program. Because premiums would be equal to cost, the program would pay for itself.

[classicman]

In keeping with the “Grayson style,” the bill is clear and concise.
It is only four pages. You can read the bill here.

Shoulda had him write the whole damn thing!

[Happy Monkey]

It's easy to keep a bill short if you're just extending something which already has its thousands of pages written.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

My point was that you post more partisan links than anyone...even as you deny it and tell me to "prove it"... and I will keep pointing them out to prove it.

As long as you are ok with me pointing out you're a Hack for the Demoncratic party and Obama propaganda machine I am cool with it...