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[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Do away with automatic transmissions, power steering, power brakes, and half the population couldn't get to the fucking supermarket.

Manual steering and manual brakes just take more muscle, not more smarts.

But the whole Z family can drive a stick (Mrs. Z and I prefer manual transmission). Z-let 2 has not taken her driving test yet, but Z-let 1 took her test in the Honda (manual transmission) and the guy who gave her the drivers test was amazed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Manual steering and manual brakes just take more muscle, not more smarts.

It takes more ATTENTION.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Manual steering and manual brakes just take more muscle, not more smarts.

I prefer how a Honda drives (steers) without engine assist. The power steering adds almost near zero to cars with better designed steering systems. Earlier Accords had zero power steering when the car moved. The larger (full sized) Accords have near zero steering assist. So little difference that when the engine is off, steering difference slight.

Power steering is necessary for under 5 MPH manuevering - ie parallel parking - at least in better designed vehicles.

Power assisted brakes? Without it, then locking up the brakes would be diffcult on all full sized cars.

Do you still have brakes if the engine powers off? Everyone should know that. If a critically important check valve fails, then you lose all brakes. And the only time you would learn about that failure is by testing. Go to any open parking lot. Turn off the engine. You should be able to fully apply brakes at least three times - and still have power assist. You will not if that valve has always been defective. If you do not do that test, then you would never know about the failure until it was too late.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

Power steering is necessary for under 5 MPH manuevering - ie parallel parking

Helpful, anyway. The car I learned to drive on had no power steering at any speed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

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[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by glatt

Helpful, anyway. The car I learned to drive on had no power steering at any speed.

Last year my roommates car had no power steering and I considered it an upper body workout to get out of tight spots in the snow.

But driving without power steering really makes you more aware of what you are doing. You cannot mindlessly take curves and are forced to even be aware of correcting yourself to drive in a straight line.