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Old 01-24-2010, 04:06 PM   #1
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So basically they have missile sites in the interior of Lebanon for the same reason the US built ICBM sites in Kansas, because it makes tactical sense for them.
Obvious to anyone viewing the conflict from all sides.

Hands down, the #1 source of all conflict stems from Israel’s continuing settlement construction in the West Bank. Other problems created by Israel was the unjustified invasion of Lebanon. Those pesky rockets are less threats than automobiles in Israel. And only exists due to Israel's extremist right wing politics - which actions are the only reason that Hezbollah exists.

A fact unknown to those who did not learn how to view from all sides - whose opinions are based in propaganda.

More propaganda - Hezbollah is a threat to American. Complete nonsense. Hezbollah enforces a 'no attack on Americans' policy. That also known only if viewing the conflict from all sides.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:35 PM   #2
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Hezbollah enforces a 'no attack on Americans' policy. That also known only if viewing the conflict from all sides.
Skip to 1:40 to hear one million Hezbollah in the Beruit streets chanting Death to America.

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Old 01-24-2010, 10:46 PM   #3
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Skip to 1:40 to hear one million Hezbollah in the Beruit streets chanting Death to America.
And Rush Limbaugh preaches what? Rhetoric and reality are not always same. Want to see what extremists in every organization promote? Then simply YouTube Hannity to see how Americans openly advocate the murder of Arabs. Classic misguided propaganda.

So now we have opinions based in one sided view rather than view all viewpoints.

Reality - Hezbollah has a leadership dictate. No harm to Americans.

Now you can hype the accidental death of American. But then forget the Israeli tank that also intentionally drove over an American girl. Which proves that Israelis also want to kill Americans. Or the Israeli spy caught in the US because Israel secretly want to subvert the US.

Meanwhile, back to reality. Hezbollah's policy is to not attack Americans and America - regardless of rhetoric from extremists and single sided viewpoints.

Let’s not forget that American stands for liberty, human rights, and the rule of law. And so we have Guantanamo. How much more rhetoric need we add so that potential peace cannot happen?
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:54 PM   #4
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But then forget the Israeli tank that also intentionally drove over an American girl.
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Old 01-24-2010, 08:22 PM   #5
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Those pesky rockets are less threats than automobiles in Israel.
I can't agree with you there. While inaccurate, the rockets are accurate enough to hit settlements. Hezbollah does this knowing Israel will have to retaliate. The Lebanese are caught in the middle. The Lebanese army can't or won't control Hezbollah.

Israel has made a lot of mistakes, but they have a right to be paranoid. Almost everyone in that region is out to get them.
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Old 01-24-2010, 10:33 PM   #6
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Almost everyone in that region is out to get them.
Jordan? Egypt? Saudi Arabia?

Not likely. Hezbollah only exists and how influence because of Israel's actions. And since Israel’s botched invasion, Hezbollah has never been more powerful and popular.

More interesting was an hour long discussion on Charlie Rose by a Saudi family member. Insight into the world like few have which is why Charlie spent the entire hour only on that interview.

A Middle East peace is stuck on but a few minor points – according to him. However Hezbollah is a problem. Contrary to popular beliefs, Hezbollah remains an independent organization. As influenced by Iran as Israel is controlled by the US. Independent enough that negotiation with Hezbollah are probably necessary to create any useful peace.

Hezbollah has always been available to negotiation. But Hezbollah needs an honest party to negotiate with. Netanyahu is not considered an honest negotiator – which was made even bluntly obvious in his discussion with Sen George Mitchell.

The hype of fear created by those rockets gives Hezbollah credibility. What is the greatest threat to those rockets? A peace settlement that includes Hezbollah as another party.

Of course, no solution is possible as long as the most contentious issue remains - West Bank settlements.

Also interesting (which explains Egypt's recent actions) is Hamas. As the Saudi noted, a peace settlement is easy. Just ignore Hamas. That could completely destroy Hamas. But only if Israel negotiates with the Palestinian Authority in a responsible manner - which was not happening.

That is Mitchell's task. To establish negotiators that have credibility among the counter parties. And yes, many counter parties exist making his task complex.
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