Pat Condell

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I didn't hear him say any of those things. You're not reading between the lines, you're inserting whole paragraphs between the lines... paragraphs he didn't say.

I think you're missing his point, Dana. What I get from it, is that the radical Islamics, with the money and power, are pushing into Europe, especially Britain, to make sure the everyday Muslims don't escape their grasp.
The radicals are afraid the everyday Muslims might assimilate, become infected with the British/European concepts of women's rights, and the rights of Christians/Jews/Atheists to do their own thing, rather than submitting to the Clerics edicts.
This is not an attack of your friends, who are just trying to make a living and get by day to day. It's an objection to the radicals with the big bucks, making demands that the Clerics must control society, in every country.

The key phrase, Bruce, is when he calls Ken Livingston the 'Mad Mullah of multiculturalism'. In other words, multiculturalism is a failed experiment. It is a common enough argument and these are common enough tropes within the British polity at the moment, that i recognise the code words. You may not.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No, what you're doing is taking that "key phrase", and promptly throwing out his entire 6 minute dissertation, then making up your own scenario about what he's saying and why. Yeah, yeah, I know... I don't see the big picture because i don't live there. Well, that's right, I'm working with what he says, without preconceived notions, as to his purpose and agenda.

[skysidhe]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I didn't hear him say any of those things. You're not reading between the lines, you're inserting whole paragraphs between the lines... paragraphs he didn't say.

I think you're missing his point, Dana. What I get from it, is that the radical Islamics, with the money and power, are pushing into Europe, especially Britain, to make sure the everyday Muslims don't escape their grasp.
The radicals are afraid the everyday Muslims might assimilate, become infected with the British/European concepts of women's rights, and the rights of Christians/Jews/Atheists to do their own thing, rather than submitting to the Clerics edicts.
This is not an attack of your friends, who are just trying to make a living and get by day to day. It's an objection to the radicals with the big bucks, making demands that the Clerics must control society, in every country.

Originally Posted by DanaC

The key phrase, Bruce, is when he calls Ken Livingston the 'Mad Mullah of multiculturalism'. In other words, multiculturalism is a failed experiment. It is a common enough argument and these are common enough tropes within the British polity at the moment, that i recognise the code words. You may not.

I guess you could say so and keep the political machinations of radical Islams in your peripheral vision. Some realities are just too horrible to look square in the face. I get that even if I don't get British code either.