Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Sorry, dude. IMO, the lies and propaganda that you have perpetrated is partisanship at its worst and I, and many others here, see right through it.

No lies. Little propaganda, well except what you post from the Demoncratic and White House talking points. Why is it that anyone who does not agree with the current plan is Demonized by the Demoncrats? I bet you the voters will let them know in a few short months.

Meanwhile, the secret talks at the White House continue. Even though I have posted a video of 8 time the President stood before the American public and stated categorically that the discussion would be open and transparent. There is a good like for you Redux, and your president gave it to you...

Senior Democratic lawmakers who spent hours at the White House on Wednesday rearranged their schedules to return at mid-afternoon, and Obama planned to address a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic rank and file in late afternoon.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34859430...h_care_reform/

Negotiations are being done in private behind closed doors, that despite the President's promise last year to keep the proceedings open to the public. President Obama repeatedly stated that negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN, but as of Thursday afternoon, that hasn't happened. C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb accused President Obama of using his network as a "political football." Lamb, speaking on Bill Press' show, said Obama had "no right" to assume C-SPAN would cover the talks in the first place.

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11786376

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why is it that anyone who does not agree with the current plan is Demonized by the Demoncrats?..

Why is it that anyone who does not agree with you or the insurance front groups or libertarian (stay our of our lives) groups are demonized as partisan?

Can you say hypocrite? Double standard?

You're still not fooling anyone.

[TheMercenary]

[quote=Redux;626522]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why is it that anyone who does not agree with you is demonized as a partisan?

I only reserve that for people who spout the propaganda of the Demoncrats or White House. So that leaves everyone else in this country who disagrees with your party, regardless of party. So it is the Dems vs everyone else in the country who is not in support of your party.

But as I said, the voters are going to let you know in a few short months.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I only reserve that for people who spout the propaganda of the Demoncrats or White House. So that leaves everyone else in this country who disagrees with your party, regardless of party. So it is the Dems vs everyone else in the country who is not in support of your party.

I dont doubt for a second that you believe you are above partisanship. Deusions of grandeur?

I can only speak for myself.... and you are always good for a laugh (like your recent partisan pictiorial meltdown) with your double standards and blatant hypocrisy. And certainly never to be taken seriously..

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I dont doubt for a second that you believe you are above partisanship. Deusions of grandeur?

I can only speak for myself.... and you are always good for a laugh (like your recent partisan pictiorial meltdown) with your double standards and blatant hypocrisy. And certainly never to be taken seriously..

Tell it to the guys getting left out of your parties lies about everyone being insured and the voters in Nov.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Tell it to the guys getting left out of your parties lies about everyone being insured and the voters in Nov.

We'll see what happens in November. I dont expect the Democrats will lose control of either house.

In the meantime, I'll just keep watching you trip over your own posts.

Most recently:

On one hand, you claim the Exchanges are a fantasy and on the other hand, you insist they are a pay-off to the insurance industry…..despite the fact that the industry has spent $20 million in the last few months on media campaigns opposing the bills.

Sure, they get access to potentially 30+ million new customers, but they don’t like the trade-offs which is why they are spending to oppose the bill: losing their anti-trust exemption, limits on premium in order to participate in the Exchanges and similar restrictions on increases in employer-based plans, ending exclusions for pre-existing conditions and dropping persons with coverage on a whim when faced with a new expensive condition/treatment, new limits on patient out-of-pocket expenses so no one will go bankrupt as a result of an illness, ending rate discrimination against women

Then you post a column from a Democratic Senator from 4 months ago and claim he agreed that the Exchanges would not work, when in fact, he was complaining at the time that the early draft of the committee bill did not include Exchanges anywhere near those in the final bill.

From there, you post a CBO letter on one small component of the bill related to one level of coverage to be offered in the Exchange and claim that updated it the overall CBO earlier findings on costs and saving and invalidated them.

Followed by the typical twists and dodges with each contradiction or misrepresentation.

As I said, always good for a laugh.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

We'll see what happens in November. I dont expect the Democrats will lose control of either house.

You think they'll lose seats? I was just trying to read up on the latest regarding this. There seem to be a lot more R's retiring/leaving than D's.