China wrecked the Copenhagen deal

[glatt]

Originally Posted by aliasyzy

the data of these two charts are from World Resources Institute
now is 2010, but it won't change a lot on the shape of these two charts.

It will change them both significantly. China has passed the US in total emissions. Not that the US has anything to brag about.

[aliasyzy]

Originally Posted by glatt

It will change them both significantly. China has passed the US in total emissions. Not that the US has anything to brag about.

for the first chart, it won't change significantly, because the stock is too large for the new increase to change it.

for the second chart, in the link you give, US 18.67 ton per capita, China 4.57 ton per capita (less than 1/4 of US), still doesn't change significantly

[jinx]

Interesting that aussies burn more per capita at 18.74 tons...

[glatt]

Originally Posted by aliasyzy

for the first chart, it won't change significantly, because the stock is too large for the new increase to change it.

for the second chart, in the link you give, US 18.67 ton per capita, China 4.57 ton per capita (less than 1/4 of US), still doesn't change significantly

Oh, I apologize. I didn't see that the 1st chart covered the last century. I thought is was a picture in time of 2005. Yeah you're right. Nothing we do will change history. Pretty pointless chart, that first one. If you are trying to make the US look bad and guilty of something, maybe you should post a chart of emissions since the global warming theory has become accepted by mainstream science in the last decade or so. Looking at the last 105 years is just asinine.

[aliasyzy]

Originally Posted by glatt

Oh, I apologize. I didn't see that the 1st chart covered the last century. I thought is was a picture in time of 2005. Yeah you're right. Nothing we do will change history. Pretty pointless chart, that first one. If you are trying to make the US look bad and guilty of something, maybe you should post a chart of emissions since the global warming theory has become accepted by mainstream science in the last decade or so. Looking at the last 105 years is just asinine.

Is it meaningless to look at the past? After US emitting such a huge amount of CO2 on its way to become a superpower, you think it's fair to tell other countries we will start over and you are not allowed to emit CO2 while at the same time itself remains the first place in terms of emission per capita?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Bullshit, the past has nothing to do with it. The US along with the other big countries tried to actually do something about it, China refused, flat out refused, to try and fix the problem.

[aliasyzy]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Bullshit, the past has nothing to do with it. The US along with the other big countries tried to actually do something about it, China refused, flat out refused, to try and fix the problem.

Really? That's just your side of the story to keep you feel good about yourself.

Please tell me why US won't accept kyoto protocal?

What have US done? don't tell me that empty promise of 100 billion thing. Hillary just said that "the United States will help raise $100 billion" Where will this $100 billion come from, how much will US pay? not a word has been said! Do you think US could afford $100 billion on the ground that obama has already been busy with all the empty promises he made before?