Congress has lost its mind...

[classicman]

Just asking here - you two go ahead and sling mud at each other all you want.... Who owns/runs factcheck?

Oh and this jobs created/saved is a bunch of crap - there is no way to eally account for jobs "saved".

Originally Posted by classicman

Just asking here - you two go ahead and sling mud at each other all you want.... Who owns/runs factcheck?

Oh and this jobs created/saved is a bunch of crap - there is no way to eally account for jobs "saved".

Right.

Fact Check in a project of the Annenburg Foundation, but the facts are from the CBO report.

In fact, there is a fairly easy way to project jobs saved....particularly in the public sector. It results from budgets not being cut as a result of a temporary infusion of federal money to replace the temporary lost tax revenue.

So you think the recovery program has been a failure, like Merc?

Or will you straddle the fence, like you always do?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

Fact Check in a project of the Annenburg Foundation, but the facts are from the CBO report.

IIRC they are a left leaning organization. However, getting the info from those who are trying to convince us that they made the right decision is still more than difficult. Large grain of salt. I remember very clearly when the promises of "jobs created" became "created or saved" It was a brilliant redesignation.

temporary infusion of federal money to replace the temporary lost tax revenue.

and when that money is gone? Then what?

So you think the recovery program has been a failure, like Merc?

I dunno - Merc can certainly speak for himself. For me, Its too early to tell. There is still a lot of money that hasn't been spent. It is still in the pipeline. There was a lot of waste and pork, but thats not uncommon.
So far though, I'm not really all that impressed. I have friends in different business sectors who got stimulus money and their input has confirmed my initial skepticism.

I heard today that "Stimulus II" is being drafted and some state Govt's are already looking into ways to spend the money. This should be fun.

Or will you straddle the fence, like you always do?

You mean will I blindly follow one or the other? no thanks. I did that long enough. I severed those ties. I refuse to bury my head up the ass of either party, like some people. You, however, don't have that luxury since you are part of the Democratic party.

Originally Posted by classicman

IIRC they are a left leaning organization. However, getting the info from those who are trying to convince us that they made the right decision is still more than difficult. Large grain of salt. I remember very clearly when the promises of "jobs created" became "created or saved" It was a brilliant redesignation.

The data is not from Fact Check, but from the non-partrisan CBO...nice try.

I agree that Obama over-promised but that doesnt take away from the success of the program to-date. Most economists agree that the recovery funds have made a difference.

and when that money is gone? Then what?

The intent has always been temporary...until the economy, including state and local tax bases, recover.

I dunno - Merc can certainly speak for himself. For me, Its too early to tell. There is still a lot of money that hasn't been spent. It is still in the pipeline. There was a lot of waste and pork, but thats not uncommon.
So far though, I'm not really all that impressed. I have friends in different business sectors who got stimulus money and their input has confirmed my initial skepticism.

Sure the pork is highlighted and is wasteful...but dont confuse pork with earmarks. Most earmarks serve a vialble and useful public purpose....sending federal tax dollars back to local communities.

You mean will I blindly follow one or the other? no thanks. I did that long enough. I severed those ties. I refuse to bury my head up the ass of either party, like some people. You, however, don't have that luxury since you are part of the Democratic party.

Your posts would suggest otherwise, but that is just my opinion and you certainly can disagree.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

The data is not from Fact Check, but from the non-partrisan CBO...nice try.

Interpretation of the data .. . sigh

I agree that Obama over-promised

<faints>

. . .but that doesnt take away from the success of the program to-date. Most economists agree that the recovery funds have made a difference.

just not anywhere near the job creation that we were sold. So they changed that to created or saved. cough/bullshit/cough
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
This one just has a different sales pitch.

The intent has always been temporary...until the economy, including state and local tax bases, recover.

The tax bases that are dwindling, you mean? What about Stimulus II thats floating around?

Your posts would suggest otherwise, but that is just my opinion and you certainly can disagree.

Well you know what they say about opinions . . .

Originally Posted by classicman

Interpretation of the data .. . sigh


<faints>

just not anywhere near the job creation that we were sold. So they changed that to created or saved. cough/bullshit/cough
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
This one just has a different sales pitch.


The tax bases that are dwindling, you mean? What about Stimulus II thats floating around?

Well you know what they say about opinions . . .

Shove it up your ass.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Shove it up your ass.