Poor, Pitiful Palin

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by classicman

Would you like some cheese with that?
Redux and I have had both good and negative discussions both on the board and off. Please leave me out of your petty little squabbles. mmmkay?

Sorry that everyone isn't all aboard the Obama train.

I went back and looked at your posts and see nothing to really quarrel about except I'm pro Obama and you're not. Peace?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by SamIam

I went back and looked at your posts and see nothing to really quarrel about except I'm pro Obama and you're not. Peace?

there will be no peace until we are crushed into a singularity . . . or something like that.

Actually I am pro America. Thats where I split ways with many people. Their first allegiance is to a party, many times without even realizing it. I don't give a flying fork what party someone is with. I care about this nation. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Originally Posted by classicman

....Actually I am pro America. Thats where I split ways with many people. Their first allegiance is to a party, many times without even realizing it. I don't give a flying fork what party someone is with. I care about this nation. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Oh man....the bullshit alarm was so loud this morning, it woke me up early.

But let me be the first to congratulate you on climb towards the Mercenary level of patriotism!

You are now a MercPat Second Class and officially a self-proclaimed better American that “cares more about the nation” than many of those who might have a different perspective on what is best for the country.

Pay attention now....In order to achieve First Class status, you must also proclaim that you are “anti-double standard” while posting more partisan opinions/articles than all other members combined and then claiming “failed” whenever those partisan opinions are challenged by those with a different view.

Silly me. I thought pro-American means having those core values of respecting the fact that we are all not required to think alike and one is free to express an opinion regarding what is best for the country w/o having his/her patriotism questioned.

A rhetorical question for you …..why is it that those who claim they put “country above party” (you, Merc, UG) are most often the same ones who are so intolerant and dismissive of the views of fellow citizens?

Come on, dude(s)......why should anyone take you seriously when put yourself above others here by sinking so low?

Oh...and before you bitch that I misinterpreted your post.....I'll just quote you...”I calls 'em like I sees 'em”


**resetting the bullshit alarm until the next “real American” posts another outrageous self-promoting comment that disparages those with a different point of view---- I'll be watching **

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

A rhetorical question for you …..why is it that those who claim they put “country above party” (you, Merc, UG) are most often the same ones who are so intolerant and dismissive of the views of fellow citizens?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

blah blah blah ...

Struck a nerve did I? You must be looking at the poll numbers.

Originally Posted by classicman

Struck a nerve did I? You must be looking at the poll numbers.

Nope.

I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber patriots who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country.

But hey, wave the flag and shout out that you're a real American and others here are not!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Nope.

I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber patriots who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country.

But hey, wave the flag and shout out that you're a real American and others here are not!

And I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber Demoncrats who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country and want to jam changes down the throat of the public while they tax and spend like whores.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber Demoncrats who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country and want to jam changes down the throat of the public while they tax and spend like whores.

I dont speak for anyone else, but please point to any post of mine where I proclaimed that I care more about the country than others here.

Thank you in advance.

And perhaps explain at the same time your self-proclaimed non-partisanship when you post more partisan opinions/articles than all others here combined..and when the "facts" (sic) in those opinions/articles are challenged, typically respond by calling others partisan.

Sounds like a double-standard to me, which I thought you oppose.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Redux

I'm just not impressed with self-proclaimed uber patriots who believe that they care more about the country than others who might have a different outlook on what is best for the country.

But hey, wave the flag and shout out that you're a real American and others here are not!

Now you are completely misquoting me. Cut the crap. I never said I was a self proclaimed patriot, never said I care more than anyone else, Never said anything about waving the flag and shouting. And most importantly I never said anything about anyone here being less of an American than I.

You're being overtly sensitive there. Everything ok?

Originally Posted by classicman

Now you are completely misquoting me. Cut the crap. I never said I was a self proclaimed patriot, never said I care more than anyone else, Never said anything about waving the flag and shouting. And most importantly I never said anything about anyone here being less of an American than I.

You're being overtly sensitive there. Everything ok?

I calls em like I sees em:

Actually I am pro America. Thats where I split ways with many people. Their first allegiance is to a party, many times without even realizing it. I don't give a flying fork what party someone is with. I care about this nation. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Putting our Brit friends to the side .....who among the dwellers involved in these discussions are not pro America?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

Silly me. I thought pro-American means having those core values of respecting the fact that we are all not required to think alike and one is free to express an opinion regarding what is best for the country w/o having his/her patriotism questioned.

A rhetorical question for you …..why is it that those who claim they put “country above party” (you, Merc, UG) are most often the same ones who are so intolerant and dismissive of the views of fellow citizens?

What we're dismissive of is views that amount to active support of less-than-democracies, that don't amount to active support of liberal democracies and the capitalism whereby they flourish (though you yourself are less hostile to capitalism than some bad examples we could name presently strutting the national stage), and in your particular case, your steady effort at uncalling (to coin some Newspeak) a spade a spade in insisting that socialistic policies instituted by the present Democratic Congress and Administration are somehow not socialistic. We know what socialism looks like, and we know what it does too -- punkers were simply a quick visual manifestation of socialism-driven goofballery, with their damaged clothing and their somebody-tied-me-to-a-chair-to-give-me-these haircuts. No; I quite dislike ugly styles. Even worse are styles vying in their ugliness.

I think there's a disconnect between your raw intellectual powers and your political allegiance -- voting Dem is for dull-normals. People who live without values that can actually be valuable. That sort of suboptimality. There isn't, by contrast, a disconnect between my politics and my brainpower, nor is there for Merc or Classic.

We're not intolerant. We're just able to make value judgements and to live by them. Some ideas and ways are worth more than others, and we three, anyway, seek the ways that are worth more, forsaking the ways that are worth less -- with the space or without it. (And we're the loudest about it, which is why I noticed.) Now you, by contrast, inasmuch as you have so internalized white liberal guilt that you believe it to be a moral structure and a road to virtue, are left trying to imply that we'd better live life without values, as your posts suggest you do. We are what not paralyzed by white liberal guilt looks like and sounds like, and I guarantee that's a better road than what you've hitherto trod.

"Fellow citizen" -- how would that equal "wise?" I'll quote Heinlein (as seems inevitable )

Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something.

Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides?

A lot of subtle and provocative tensions between those two suspension points. The question of how wise the million could be was brought home to me sharply in the Clinton and Obama elections, not so in Carter's.

We do not see that the "difference of opinion" adds up to being pro-democracy, pro-liberal social orders, pro-prosperity enough. Because of your liberal guilt, you're not enough of an apostle of democracy. Were you enough of one, you'd be ravening to cut Ba'athist throat, among those of other nondemocrats viciously opposing the democratizing and enriching effects of globalization. This would not necessarily make you a nice guy, don't get me wrong -- but it would be enough, aye, even a surplus. I think we three would only raven about it if we were in a particularly bad mood; we're not quite proof against the sable bird. Still, we cannot despise cutting totalitarian throats, and we have no reason to object to their passing from this world to another. It means they can't enslave our fellow creatures here. That is valuable.

Failing to destroy foreign tyrants, and domestic ones, is NOT "best for the country." Our troubles don't come from places of democracies. They come from places of tyranny, of undemocracy. So do not fail to destroy these things of villainy.

Thus we do; thus, you do not.

Thus, you could be doing. We wouldn't kick you out of the treehouse for trying.