The Obamanation

Every civil rights bill since the 30s has had the support of the minority of Democrats

You can change the words...you can't change the numbers....Democrats introduced and 2/3 of Democrats in Congress supported the first civil rights act.

The 1964 act:

153 Democrats (63%) for and 91 against in the House.....7 southern Democrats voted for it and zero southern Republicans voted for it.....94% of northern Democrats voted for it as opposed to 85% of northern Republicans.

46 Democrats (69%) for and 21 against in the Senate....1 southern Democrat voted for it and zero southern Republicans voted for it....98% of northern Democrats voted for it as opposed to 84% of northern Republicans.

Majority of Democrats in both cases.

What part of 2/3 in your fuzzy math does not equal a majority?

History shows that Democrats fought to expand slavery,....

And history shows that all the southern framers of the Constitution were slave-owners.

So what? Both parties have checkered pasts. Do you really believe the Republican party of today resembles the Republican party of Lincoln?

Your straw man has little meaning in terms of 20th century movements that helped establish the Black middle class.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You can change the words...you can't change the numbers....

Your right, it has to do with percentages of Dems and percentages of Repbs and as those numbers changed over the years from 1866 to present, there were periods where the majority of one over the other was in issue, not the actual numbers.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

So what? Both parties have checkered pasts. Do you really believe the Republican party of today resembles the Republican party of Lincoln?

Never said it did. I was not talking about the Republickins. Just the party in power and disputing your points that the Dems have historically lead the way on any of the issues you made to UG. You were wrong.

Originally Posted by Redux

Rewriting history again, UG?

It was Democratic programs from the New Deal and labor legislation of the 30s that ended the depression; the post-WWII programs that invested in education, built the nation's current infrastructure, underwrote the infant technology and bio-med industries, funded the aerospace industry; the civil rights legislation of the 60s that was instrumental in the creation of a Black middle class.....all of which not only created more personal wealth, but fueled the economic engine of which you speak.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Never said it did. I was not talking about the Republickins. Just the party in power and disputing your points that the Dems have historically lead the way on any of the issues you made to UG. You were wrong.

Democrats introduced and led the fight for the New Deal programs (cut unemployment in half and nearly doubled the GDP in the first two years), the Taft-Hartley Act, the GI Bill, the Interstate Highway System (under a Republican president), significant federal funding of the very early tech industry, the creation of the US space program, and yes, the Civil Rights Act.

All of these heavily funded federal Democratic programs (the Taft-Hartley and Civil Rights Act the least in terms of federal funding, but significant in terms of jobs) created job opportunities and contributed to personal economic growth for a burgeoning middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Democrats introduced and led the fight for the New Deal programs, the Taft-Hartley Act, the GI Bill, the Interstate Highway System (under a Republican president), significant federal funding of the very early tech industry, the creation of the US space program, and yes, the Civil Rights Act.

All of these contributed to personal economic opportunities for a growing middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country.

Yes, bipartisan efforts of both Dems and Repubs contributed to personal economic opportunities for a growing middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country. Not just a single party.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Yes, bipartisan efforts of both Dems and Repubs contributed to personal economic opportunities for a growing middle class and fueled the economic engine of the country. Not just a single party.

One party has to lead in order to implement change....it doesnt happen in a vacuum.

These are all programs that UG and many Republicans and Libertarians now criticize as "big government" and "tax and spend"...the fact is, those programs made a difference to, and had a positive impact on, millions of Americans.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

One party has to lead in order to implement change....it doesnt happen on its own.

Another historical falsehood. You really drink the koolaid don't you.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Another historical falsehood. You really drink the koolaid don't you.

If you say....your're the man!

Its pointless to take this any further.