The Obamanation

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

He is not a socialist. People throw that word around without any regard for what it really means.

I know what it means, many of his policy proposals reflect it.

The fact that so many people believe he isn't American (the birthers), or that he is Muslim, just proves that people will say and believe anything, no matter how much it is disproved.

I don't believe any of that.

Do you honestly think people would be reacting the same way if Hillary had won? I doubt it.

No, and I could give a shit because that bitch lost and I am glad for that much. I would take Obama over her anyday.

But all the ridiculous talk, by supposed "legitimate" people, is not helping. They should be debating what is actually IN THE BILLS they disagree with,

Yea, that IS what I am trying to do.

instead of being completely disrespectful and spreading lies and fear and talking about secession and invoking the tenth ammendment, if they want to be taken seriously.

I could care less about that BS.

Oh, and they should be telling people to STOP showing up with GUNS where the President is speaking.

Yea, tell those black men to stop showing up with their guns.

In an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, former President Jimmy Carter said he has been extremely bothered by the heightened climate of racial and other hate speech since the election of President Barack Obama.

I could give a shit about what Carter says about anything. I mean really. He is just supporting his base. Feeling bad for his ancestors who owned slaves. I have very little interest in much of what he has to say.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I know what it means, many of his policy proposals reflect it.

Not really, but whatever. We live in a quasi-socialist country. Health care should not be something that is "for profit" to the extent it is now.

I don't believe any of that.

I didn't say YOU did, I was saying that many people in this country do, and that many of those people are fueling all of this crap.

No, and I could give a shit because that bitch lost and I am glad for that much. I would take Obama over her anyday.

At least you admit it's true. That should prove right there to you that some of the rhetoric is racist-oriented.

Yea, that IS what I am trying to do.

Well right on then. Too bad legitimate people aren't.

I could care less about that BS.

The point is, a lot of people DO care about it, and they are causing a lot of concern and trouble. And all the politicians who are doing really need to stop.

Yea, tell those black men to stop showing up with their guns.

I've only seen ONE black person at a rally with a gun. But ftr, they should be telling ALL PEOPLE to stop showing up with guns. You can't go to Disneyland with a gun, but you can go to a presidential speech with one? What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

I could give a shit about what Carter says about anything. I mean really. He is just supporting his base. Feeling bad for his ancestors who owned slaves. I have very little interest in much of what he has to say.

Well, he is from the south, he was governor of Georgia, and he was president. He was around during the Civil Rights Movement. I think he knows racism when he sees it.

[TheMercenary]

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Not really, but whatever. We live in a quasi-socialist country. Health care should not be something that is "for profit" to the extent it is now.

At least you admit to the socialist agenda. I will give you that much.

At least you admit it's true. That should prove right there to you that some of the rhetoric is racist-oriented.

It proves nothing of the sort.

I've only seen ONE black person at a rally with a gun. But ftr, they should be telling ALL PEOPLE to stop showing up with guns. You can't go to Disneyland with a gun, but you can go to a presidential speech with one? What the fuck is wrong with that picture?

But yet you want to make a big deal out of 2 incidents from all of his numerous speaking events. This ain't Disney Land.

Well, he is from the south, he was governor of Georgia, and he was president. He was around during the Civil Rights Movement. I think he knows racism when he sees it.

Sure, just like he knows Porn when he sees it. He is still a dick.

[sugarpop]

[quote=TheMercenary;595104]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

But yet you want to make a big deal out of 2 incidents from all of his numerous speaking events. This ain't Disney Land.

I find it hard to believe that you think it is OK to go where the president, ANY PRESIDENT, is going to be while carrying a weapon. I can only imagine what would have happened if a liberal had tried to do that when Bush was president. Really. People were being arrested for their fucking T-SHIRTS when Bush was prez.

Sure, just like he knows Porn when he sees it. He is still a dick.

whateveh. So are you. (I still love you though. *smooch*)

[classicman]

Originally Posted by lookout123

you are fucking koolaid drinking imbecile. It is quite possible for a large number of Americans to have a variety of reasons (some valid, some pretty stupid) for disliking the President and/or his policies without racism being a major factor.

Here here! and to legitimatize the "Race Card" or to disregard any criticisms simply because of race is dishonest, disrespectful and pure partisan politics. Who is it that keeps bringing up race again? Oh thats right, the D's. and Rachael Maddow.

Originally Posted by lookout123

Race is the most easy to grasp tool the politicians use to separate us from each other. Some people are more susceptible to the idiocy than others.

Example ... sugarpop

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I find it hard to believe that you think it is OK to go where the president, ANY PRESIDENT, is going to be while carrying a weapon.

IS this something new? Were there changes in the laws? Did Obama or the house suddenly allow people to carry guns to Presidential events? ... whats that? no? Oh, then shut up.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by classicman

IS this something new? Were there changes in the laws? Did Obama or the house suddenly allow people to carry guns to Presidential events? ... whats that? no? Oh, then shut up.

As far as I know, it IS something new. Just because there isn't a law against it doesn't make it less disturbing. Considering the range of modern handguns, having them that close is tempting fate.

I agree with Sugarpop that during the last administration there were crackdowns on protesters based on the signs/t-shirts they had with them. Why do we feel safe to put time and place restrictions on the First Amendment and have none on the Second Amendment? I we can have 'free speech' zones miles away from events, why can't we have 'open carry' zones out of gunshot? Noone ever got killed by being yelled at, but we've 3 attempts on presidents since Kennedy.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by richlevy

I agree with Sugarpop that during the last administration there were crackdowns on protesters based on the signs/t-shirts they had with them. Why do we feel safe to put time and place restrictions on the First Amendment and have none on the Second Amendment? I we can have 'free speech' zones miles away from events, why can't we have 'open carry' zones out of gunshot? Noone ever got killed by being yelled at, but we've 3 attempts on presidents since Kennedy.

Boy and those attempts were by who? The radical right?

[Griff]

Originally Posted by richlevy

I agree with Sugarpop that during the last administration there were crackdowns on protesters based on the signs/t-shirts they had with them.

In the interest of fairness, let's remember that Clinton started the free speech zone. Both parties hate opposing discourse. That Obama put up with armed nuts at or near his events (I have no idea how close they got to the President) shows a willingness to allow dissent at a level that can act as a safety valve. That is good politics.