Scared of heart medicine

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Pie

Sure. So I get a liver screening every year.

As did she.

[Griff]

Sorry about the hijacking Cloud. Obviously, I have a problem with over-medication just as Pie has with under-medication. We're both working off of personal experience hers good mine bad. I apologize if I came off as snippy Pie.

Good luck with your daughter.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Griff

Sorry about the hijacking Cloud. Obviously, I have a problem with over-medication just as Pie has with under-medication. We're both working off of personal experience hers good mine bad. I apologize if I came off as snippy Pie.

My best friend's father had high blood pressure at 50, mostly from a heavy meat/fat diet and crappy eating habits. So his doctor put him on drugs and he changed his eating habits significantly. Every time he'd go back to the doctor they'd check his blood pressure and say it's fine, keep taking your meds. At 60 he was on kidney dialysis.

Not once in those ten years did the doctor ever try reducing the meds to see if less would be sufficient. Nor did he ask about lifestyle changes that might come into play.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

My best friend's father had high blood pressure at 50, mostly from a heavy meat/fat diet and crappy eating habits. So his doctor put him on drugs and he changed his eating habits significantly. Every time he'd go back to the doctor they'd check his blood pressure and say it's fine, keep taking your meds. At 60 he was on kidney dialysis.

Not once in those ten years did the doctor ever try reducing the meds to see if less would be sufficient. Nor did he ask about lifestyle changes that might come into play.

High blood pressure itself causes kidney failure.
Beta blockers have no such side effects.

correlation != causation

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Pie

High blood pressure itself causes kidney failure.
Beta blockers have no such side effects.

correlation != causation

But he didn't have high blood pressure on the medication and might have not had it with less medication or from the lifestyle changes... they never bothered to check. Oh, and you're assuming Beta blockers.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But he didn't have high blood pressure on the medication and might have not had it with less medication or from the lifestyle changes... they never bothered to check. Oh, and you're assuming Beta blockers.

So, what drug was he on? Your assumption that the drugs lead to the ESRD is also unwarranted. Merc, can you comment on the link between long-term low-level hypertension and kidney failure?
A quick web search leads to this statement on WebMD:

Originally Posted by WebMD

How Is Kidney Disease Treated?

For patients who have high blood pressure and kidney disease, the most important treatment is to control your blood pressure. ACE inhibitor and angiotensin II receptor blocker (ARB) drugs lower blood pressure and protect the kidneys from further damage.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Pie

So, what drug was he on? Your assumption that the drugs lead to the ESRD is also unwarranted. Merc, can you comment on the link between long-term low-level hypertension and kidney failure?
A quick web search leads to this statement on WebMD:

You're missing the point. Doctors guess at the level of medication necessary for the perceived problem, and never check to see if the dosage could be reduced, or even eliminated, due to lifestyle changes. Every drug has side effects, even aspirin.