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Old 07-27-2009, 03:07 PM   #1
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Yeah, I'm sorry: I meant "next time I'm inside my house after forcing my door open"
Did you mean "after using the key to get in the back door after the front was stuck"?
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:04 AM   #2
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Did you mean "after using the key to get in the back door after the front was stuck"?
I may have been wrong about that. I don't remember now where I saw the thing about the back door.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:24 AM   #3
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Any of you ever had to bust into your own house? I have.

What would I have done if the cops showed up to arrest me?

First of all, I've lived here five years. People around here know me (and I'm so far off the beaten track that there are no strangers), so the odds of being reported are zero, but let's say it happens. What would I do?

My first inclination would be to assume the cop was at the wrong address (again, I'm in the woods at the end of a gravel road that's at the end of a gravel road - convoluted road schematics and damned few road signs). If he insisted that I identify myself, I'd show him my ID, then go into my office and whip out my mortgage papers.

What's so hard about that?

Oh yeah, I don't have a male ego.
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Old 07-28-2009, 10:35 AM   #4
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:53 AM   #5
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If he insisted that I identify myself, I'd show him my ID, then go into my office and whip out my mortgage papers.

What's so hard about that?
As per the transcript linked above, Crowley called the wagon after verifying Gates' identity. He should have been gone at that point.
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Old 07-28-2009, 12:03 PM   #6
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As per the transcript linked above, Crowley called the wagon after verifying Gates' identity.
Then Crowley's ego/attitude is at fault, here.

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He should have been gone at that point.
Right-o. Time to give that cop the boot.

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Old 07-28-2009, 01:04 PM   #7
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As per the transcript linked above, Crowley called the wagon after verifying Gates' identity. He should have been gone at that point.
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Officer 52: I’m up with a gentleman who says he resides here (background voice) but uncooperative. But uh, keep the cars coming.

Male patrol 1: Copy.

Officer 52: Can you also send the Harvard University police this way?

Male patrol 1: We can send ’em in. . . .
The investigation was still under way when he said keep backup coming. He asked for the Harvard police, which sounds like Gates showed a Harvard ID and not a Drivers license. I doubt a Harvard ID would have his address on it.


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Female dispatcher: Respond to 17 Ware Street for a possible B and E in progress. Two SPs [suspicious persons] barged their way into the home, they have suitcases. R-P 5-SP. Stand by, trying to get further.

Officer 52 (Crowley): 52. Ware Street right now, 17?

Dispatcher: 17 Ware Street . . . both SPs are still in the house, unknown on race. One may be a Hispanic male, not sure. . . .
The cop was working with the information that there were two suspects. The second might be holding a samurai sword to the throats of Gate's grandmother, three babies and a kitten in the attic. The cop doesn't know at this point.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:12 PM   #8
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The investigation was still under way when he said keep backup coming. He asked for the Harvard police, which sounds like Gates showed a Harvard ID and not a Drivers license. I doubt a Harvard ID would have his address on it.
Read a bit further down. That exchange had already happened when he called for the wagon. The Harvard cops were there (to lock the door) when Gates was carted away, so Crowley knew Gates was legit at that point at the latest.
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:13 AM   #9
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Read a bit further down. That exchange had already happened when he called for the wagon. The Harvard cops were there (to lock the door) when Gates was carted away, so Crowley knew Gates was legit at that point at the latest.
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Officer 2: (inaudible) to patrol. Do we have a wagon coming through to the location?

Male patrol 3: Patrol to wagon.

Wagon: Wagon.

Male patrol 3: 17 Ware Street.

Wagon: Copy.
No, there's no mention of the Harvard police being there, or that they were to lock the door. The above quote follows the last section I quoted in the transcript you linked. Crowley is officer 52, not officer 2, or male patrol 3.
There is no indication that Gates was under arrest when officer 2 asked if the wagon was still coming.
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