ACORN

Carry on with your crusade for truth, justice and the American way.

I'll stick with innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Carry on with your crusade for truth, justice and the American way.

I'll stick with innocent until PROVEN guilty.

No problem.

Let me know when ACORN gets those federal funds to conduct the census!

[TheMercenary]

Eh, it's not about the census for me. It is about them getting any federal funds of any kind.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Repeat... they are still being investigated in many states. There are enough red flags they should be cut off.

Not really.

Most of those "investigations" are not criminal or even fact-finding investigations by state law enforcement agencies, but rather are simply so called "investigations" (or witch hunts) by Republican legislatures. And mostly in swing states.

If those legislatures had uncovered any real evidence of criminal activities iin their 6+ years of "investigating" ACORN, you would think they would have lead to formal criminal investigations by this time.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Not really.

Most of those "investigations" are not actual investigations by state law enforcement agencies, but rather are simply so called "investigations" or witch hunts by Republican legislatures.

And mostly in swing states.

Matters not. They are under investigation which were instigated by elected officials and they merit the same degree of an investigation by any Congressional or state based intity. ACORN is stained.

Sure...ACORN is stained in the hearts and minds of the right.

Thats fine with me

And the unsubstantiated allegations will continue to result in support of the organization in minority communities that will carry over to the voting booth...and thats fine with me, as well.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Sure...ACORN is stained in the hearts and minds of the right.

Really, where does it say they are stained only in "the minds of the right"? Most mainstream news organizations have been reporting on ACORN's questionable practices for quite a few years.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Really, where does it say they are stained only in "the minds of the right"? Most mainstream news organizations have been reporting on ACORN's questionable practices for quite a few years.

Sure some mainstream news organizations have reported the allegations of ACORN's practices. I give credit to the right wing sound machine for raising enough stink to merit coverage. But its mostly Bill O'Reilly on FOX news, Lou Dobss on CNN and right wing bloggers.

And the result is still the same...after six plus years of investigations (initiated at the urging of Karl Rove as a political strategy) ACORN has still never been found guilty of any criminal activity with either their advocacy/voter registration work or their community development work and IMO, the impact in the minority community that have had first hand experience with ACORN's work, will continue to not only support the organization but will also reinforce the notion in those communities that the Republican party does not represent their interests.

[TheMercenary]

Another supporter of ACORN dropped out because of questionable legally practices...

Catholic Church drops ACORN funding
Posted: 10:25 PM ET
ACORN, the community organizing group rocked by voter registration fraud allegations, is being rocked again by the loss of a major donor.


catholic letter to acorn
And the group’s sloppy voter registration drive in the 2008 presidential election campaign is at least partly to blame.

Citing voter fraud allegations along with embezzlement and accounting issues at ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), the Catholic church announced it will sever all ties with the group. The announcement to stop all funding to various ACORN projects came at the U.S. conference of Catholic bishops in Baltimore.

Bishop Roger Morin, who chairs the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD) told his fellow bishops, “We simply had too many questions and concerns to permit further CCHD funding of ACORN groups.”

Bishop Morin froze all Catholic funds to ACORN in June when ACORN revealed the brother of the group’s founders had embezzled nearly a million dollars from the group. The embezzlement took place years ago, but was only recently revealed to ACORN board members and donor groups.

In a letter to All Bishops, Bishop Morin said the Catholic Church would conduct its own review. That review was completed earlier this month and the church apparently was not convinced ACORN meets the standards of further funding.

“No funds were given this year, none for next year and now the stance at present is there will be no funding relationship with ACORN groups in the future,” said Bishop Morin.

The Catholic Church has a long history of giving grant money to ACORN and its affiliates. Over the past decade, the Catholic Campaign for Human Development has given more than $7.3 million dollars to ACORN related projects.

continues:

http://siu.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/12/...acorn-funding/

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Another supporter of ACORN dropped out because of questionable legally practices...

continues:

http://siu.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/12/...acorn-funding/

The Catholic Church in America has enough scandals of its own to worry about.

I still cant get past the fact that you equate a partisan investigation in some Republican controlled state legislatures with a criminal investigation.

I'll remember that the next time you criticize a Democratic investigation in Congress.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Eh, it's not about the census for me. It is about them getting any federal funds of any kind.

My mistake.

It was Classicman who bought into the wing nut myth perpetuated by Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann that ACORN would be helping to conduct the census.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

The Catholic Church in America has enough scandals of its own to worry about.

Oh no doubt, but this is not about the Catholic Church. This is about funding being cut off from ACORN by another outside organization because of suspected criminal conduct by ACORN and it's membership.

I still cant get past the fact that you equate a partisan investigation in some Republican controlled state legislatures with a criminal investigation.

Which is why I stated that it is no different from any Congressional investigation. And many investigations are not coming out of Washington but from numerous states, regardless of who is in office.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Which is why I stated that it is no different from any Congressional investigation. And many investigations are not coming out of Washington but from numerous states, regardless of who is in office.

And despite all those partisan state legislative investigations, following the 04 election, the 06 election and the 08 election, in not one case, has any legislature referred their findings to the appropriate state law enforcement agency for criminal prosecution.

With all that that huffing and puffing and attempts to blow the ACORN house down, ACORN has been charged with criminal activity in only one state (Nevada - 13 counts of paying employees $5 more than allowable) and it could very well be tossed out by the judge as merit less.

Bottom line is that at worst, ACORN has been found guilty of sloppy bookkeeping, lax oversight of overzealous temporary employees, and several cases of excessive greed on the part of several of its former top leaders.... none of which are a crime.

[TheMercenary]

Bottom line is they are suspect organization who continue to be accused of many illegal wrong doings and they are not worthy of further funding from public funds.