So, UT, what do you think of the Iraq big picture now? - Page 2

Undertoad · 09-30-2003, 09:02 PM

Awright fine. I'll just shut up and take my stuff elsewhere. Sheesh

xoxoxoBruce · 09-30-2003, 09:13 PM

The hell you will. You started this thread. Git back here.

elSicomoro · 09-30-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
Awright fine. I'll just shut up and take my stuff elsewhere.

To where? Fox? Sky News? World News Daily?

Undertoad · 09-30-2003, 09:50 PM

Well I suppose I could start a blog view section just for my own stuff for example. But that's pretty presumptuous.

MaggieL · 09-30-2003, 09:52 PM

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Originally posted by dave
Too long to read. Please summarize.

"I'm not readin' that crap--summarize it in one word." --Bender, from Futurama :-)

elSicomoro · 09-30-2003, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
Well I suppose I could start a blog view section just for my own stuff for example. But that's pretty presumptuous.

Plus you would still get a beatdown.

Besides, you consider yourself as just another member of the gang here. And I think that most of the Cellar "establishment" would agree. It's not like you're being held to higher scrutiny b/c you own the place...we established that with the whole Goethean deal in IotD.

Chewbaccus · 09-30-2003, 10:00 PM

Now, whenever I hear the "I toured, I saw good stuff, we're doing okay" reports, I can't help but wonder what the tours are like. Do they actually let the Congressionals walk around wherever they want - the slums and such included? And if they do, how much security is around them? Enough to obscure the bad parts? I don't know what they saw, so I can't make a judgement on whether or not to believe them.

This guy also has another liability - reelection threat:

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"[Marshall]...was elected last fall by defeating Republican Calder Clay III in a race too close to call on election night. Final figures showed Marshall won by 1,516 votes or 1 percent.

Clay, who plans to challenge Marshall for the seat next year, declined to comment specifically on Marshall's media appearances.

"If Jim Marshall is trying to pretend to be conservative, I think people know he's not as conservative as I am. I look forward to the debate," Clay said."

Warch hit on it. A southern Congressman who barely squirted onto the Hill two years ago, facing a challenge from the same person he barely beat, and he's hitting every major media outlet - conservative and liberal - with his "We're all good" message. I have trouble believing this guy.

tw · 10-01-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore
And I think that most of the Cellar "establishment" would agree.

Once upon a time, we could not trust anyone over 30. Now we are the establishment. That sure did bloody happen quickly.

elSicomoro · 10-01-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by tw
Once upon a time, we could not trust anyone over 30. Now we are the establishment. That sure did bloody happen quickly.

Speak for yourself ol' man...I still have 2 years before I hit 30.

SteveDallas · 10-01-2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
But that's pretty presumptuous.

Bullshit. Well, OK, yes, you're right, it IS presumptuous. But come on, the whole blogging phenomenon is based on nothing if not on presumption. It's based on the idea that all of us wing nuts sitting around nattering on our computers can write stuff just as interesting (if not necessarily more accurate) as what the established Pundictocracy puts out. Hell, even I've considered starting my own blog (called, oddly enough, "Punditocracy"), and I'm a self-proclaimed bubble resident. 20 years ago if a person had self-published a zine devoted almost exclusively to his or her own musings and opinions, with an occasional excerpt from somebody else, it would probably have been considered the height of arrogance and self-absorption. Now, everybody's doing it.

If you don't want to set yourself up with a blog, fine. But don't stifle your impulse to do so because of some sense of modesty. I guarantee you, you wouldn't be any more pretentious than any of the other blogs out there, and probably less so than many.

Undertoad · 10-01-2003, 02:27 PM

I was busting on Syc more than anything...

When you read the following, take the word "you" to really mean "any potential blogger".

I think the Cellar offers you more than a blog situation does. The one thing that you can't get here is individual attention, because it's never "you-centric" like a blog is. But you have better readers here than you would get in a blog situation, because they're broader.

More importantly, here you know everything you say is gonna get examined, and people will bring out their differences; and they are on an equal basis to you. If you're right, and you can communicate, you will bring people around to your point of view. If you're wrong, better the chance you'll learn and get smarter, with people trying to disagree with you.

The worst-case blog situation, IMO, is that you're writing to a bunch of people who agree with you. A community of people where we're all the same is no fun.

It's funny to see how, when I titled the thread this way, it was "me-centric" and kind of against the Cellar norm. It was really just a playful sort of thing, to title it that way.

Chewbaccus · 10-01-2003, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore

Speak for yourself ol' man...I still have 2 years before I hit 30.

I usually operate on the policy of trusting no one at, over, or under 30. That baby in the stroller over there...man, I don't know what the hell he's plannin'.

elSicomoro · 10-01-2003, 09:00 PM

Just remember Toad...I know where you live.

Not that I was necessarily discouraging you from creating a blog...it just doesn't seem Sheppslike. But hell, you own the place...

darclauz · 10-01-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by dave
Too long to read. Please summarize.

Sound and fury, told by an idiot, signifying nothing.

darclauz · 10-01-2003, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore

Speak for yourself ol' man...I still have 2 years before I hit 30.

Yer chemically altered...hell, you could be 80 and wouldn't feel it.

09-30-2003, 09:13 PM	#17
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The hell you will. You started this thread. Git back here. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-30-2003, 09:02 PM	#16
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Awright fine. I'll just shut up and take my stuff elsewhere. Sheesh

09-30-2003, 09:50 PM	#19
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Well I suppose I could start a blog view section just for my own stuff for example. But that's pretty presumptuous.

10-01-2003, 02:27 PM	#26
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I was busting on Syc more than anything... When you read the following, take the word "you" to really mean "any potential blogger". I think the Cellar offers you more than a blog situation does. The one thing that you can't get here is individual attention, because it's never "you-centric" like a blog is. But you have better readers here than you would get in a blog situation, because they're broader. More importantly, here you know everything you say is gonna get examined, and people will bring out their differences; and they are on an equal basis to you. If you're right, and you can communicate, you will bring people around to your point of view. If you're wrong, better the chance you'll learn and get smarter, with people trying to disagree with you. The worst-case blog situation, IMO, is that you're writing to a bunch of people who agree with you. A community of people where we're all the same is no fun. It's funny to see how, when I titled the thread this way, it was "me-centric" and kind of against the Cellar norm. It was really just a playful sort of thing, to title it that way.

10-01-2003, 09:00 PM	#28
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Just remember Toad...I know where you live. Not that I was necessarily discouraging you from creating a blog...it just doesn't seem Sheppslike. But hell, you own the place...

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