TEA Parties

[xoxoxoBruce]

Those CA hippies are trying to dictate to the rest of the nation what to drive. Silly hippies.
Don't forget there are still plenty of gasp one car families in this country. And lots of people that drive a long way work or shop.
Electrics haven't come far enough to be viable for these people.
It's only been a couple years that batteries have been good enough for suburban viability.
The best option is electric motor driven wheels with a small gas or diesel engine with a generator/alternator to make the juice.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

From here

Exerpt:

The message seems to be that since we are in a crisis, and everyone agrees "something must be done," any spending, no matter the purpose, the amount, or how obscure or even unnecessary, is to be sheepishly accepted because we are told to.

Obama said it for all on his side: "Any spending is stimulus." I don't think so!

The humongous deficits that will be enshrined in the Obama/Democrat budgets (from nearly $2 trillion per year down to around $600 billion and then increasing back to nearly $1 trillion in 10 years, according to Congressional Budget Office) will dwarf anything that has come before. People of every political stripe, except for liberals, are outraged and angry. If you're not, you should be. [Emph mine -- UG]

If you feel magnanimous and think the government deserves additional largess, no one is stopping you, on this Monday after tax day, from writing a check for however many thousands of excess dollars you have to Uncle Sam's Treasury Department.

Since the only inarguable source of economic productivity is through the private, free enterprise market, why you would think your money is better spent by Washington or Sacramento is truly beyond me to comprehend.

And some here insist I'm mad. I ain't mad -- just literate.

Tea Parties: What's Next?

A View From Main Street

Garofalo Highlights Left's Hypocrisy... Its last sentence reads:

You get the sense the left may be coming to the realization that it doesn’t have what it takes to lead.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

From here

Exerpt:



And some here insist I'm mad. I ain't mad -- just literate.

Tea Parties: What's Next?

A View From Main Street

Garofalo Highlights Left's Hypocrisy... Its last sentence reads:

So if Obama had done nothing but cut taxes, like republicans wanted him to do, the economy would have barrelled downward at an alarming rate and we would be in serious depression right now, instead of showing some small signs of recovery. Hoover proved that already.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

So if Obama had done nothing but cut taxes, like republicans wanted him to do, the economy would have barrelled downward at an alarming rate and we would be in serious depression right now, instead of showing some small signs of recovery. Hoover proved that already.

How do you figure? To this point all he has done is spend money, that doesn't really exist except on paper. So if he cut taxes and spent money that doesn't exist how would that change things for you?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

No they aren't. Because California had a serious air pollution problem back in the 70s, and still do sometimes,
I think Bush may have watered them down significantly though.

Aside from "It's Bush's fault. Have you considered any other anything? The kneejerk reaction to just blame the prior administration is getting very old.

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Electrics ARE viable for a large portion of the population.

Whats the cost of an electric car right now?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

Whats the cost of an electric car right now?

Try this:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=20125

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by classicman

Aside from "It's Bush's fault. Have you considered any other anything? The kneejerk reaction to just blame the prior administration is getting very old.


Whats the cost of an electric car right now?

It is a fact that Bush made the regulations weaker in California. I'm sorry, but that is the truth. You cannot deny the truth.

I have no idea what the cost of an electric car is right now. I haven't priced them because a) I can't afford a new car right now, and b) there are no plug in electric charge stations where I live. I know the Tesla is expensive, but that is a sports car, and the price is comparable to other high end sports cars.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Those CA hippies are trying to dictate to the rest of the nation what to drive. Silly hippies.
Don't forget there are still plenty of gasp one car families in this country. And lots of people that drive a long way work or shop.
Electrics haven't come far enough to be viable for these people.
It's only been a couple years that batteries have been good enough for suburban viability.
The best option is electric motor driven wheels with a small gas or diesel engine with a generator/alternator to make the juice.

No they aren't. Because California had a serious air pollution problem back in the 70s, and still do sometimes, they have continued doing what they need to do in order to clean the air up so it is safe to breathe. That's why they always had strictere standards. I think Bush may have watered them down significantly though.

Electrics ARE viable for a large portion of the population. Most people probably don't drive anywhere near 100 miles per day.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Electrics ARE viable for a large portion of the population. Most people probably don't drive anywhere near 100 miles per day.

You're probably right for normal commuting. Now what do you do when you want to go to the mountains skiing or down to the shore for the weekend or just to the casinos for the evening? You need another car and it's got to be a good one for traveling, but what if you can't afford another car?

Does that ski lodge, shore motel or casino have a charging station? Not in the future, not even in the fall, RFN? No they don't. Electrics are not viable for most people as the family sedan without a lot of bullshit.

A hybrid with a small engine is viable for most people RFN. Go anywhere anytime and still get 40, 50, 60, miles per gallon. The biggest drawback of hybrids is they have been designed and built for maximum bragging rights on mileage, rather than vehicles that are comfortable and with enough space to be useful for a family of four.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The biggest drawback of hybrids is they have been designed and built for maximum bragging rights on mileage, rather than vehicles that are comfortable and with enough space to be useful for a family of four.

Biggest problem are the many labeled as hybrids that, instead, pervert the technology only to increase horsepower during acceleration. And other hybrids that provide none of those needed benefits.

Routine for all driving is for a hybrid to get over 50 MPH. So we put hybrids in larger car and get something around 40 MPG. Meanwhile, even GM's smallest cars average (at best) 26 MPG.

But again, how many horsepower is required to maintain 50 MPH? My worst case calculations on an Olds 88 and Taurus were 8 and 10 hp. GM engineers told me it was more like 4 and 2. That means most every car needs maybe a 1 liter engine. If using hybrid technology, it accelerates same, but does not waste a 200+ horsepower engine putting only 10 hp to the wheels. Damning numbers that say why hybrids should have been routine ten years earlier - when even President Clinton was a better innovator than auto executives.

Hybrid technology is the 'at minimum' requirement for all cars of the future. So what will GM introduce in 2010? A 500 hp obsolete technology Camaro. Could they be any dumber?