Torture memos

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

All posters should keep in mind that tw has never expressed the least interest in the free societies winning out over the slavemaking ones. Tw just can't think about human liberty, nor apparently give it its proper value. Tw really doesn't want totalitarianism to lose, anywhere. Instead, it's "we're so awful, because we're trying to win."

Can anyone show otherwise?

I am one who believes that if the US signs international treaties (Geneva, UNCAT) that define and set limits on torture and/or cruel and unusual punishment, then the US should live up to those treaty obligations or withdraw from the treaty (and become a rogue state like those countries that refused to sign -- Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Zimbabwe)

Or at the very least, the executive branch should submit proposed changes in policy to the legislature (even if only in closed session to protect national security) rather than act unilaterally in secret and counter to the advice and recommendations of both the DoJ and CIA Inspectors General.

Checks and balances to limit abuses of power.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Geez Redux, you sound like my father...



and his father,
and his father,
and his father,
and his father,
and his father.