Torture memos

[lookout123]

He would have given the same info if we'd just asked nicely. He'd have probably given it faster too.

[tw]

Originally Posted by lookout123

He would have given the same info if we'd just asked nicely. He'd have probably given it faster too.

Which is exactly what happens once we eliminate the extremist mantra.

Second wave? A claim from the same people who said Saddam had WMDs. That fired people who warned of pending terrorism. Who undermined the Oslo Accords. Who encourages war with N Korea. Who nearly created a war with China over a silly spy plane. Who said Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. Who had White House lawyers rewrite science papers they did not like (because science contradicted their political agenda). Who almost destroyed Hubble. Who unilaterally canceled international treaties only because they did not like them. Who advocated nuclear proliferation. Who said America does not do nation building - and therefore lost military victories in two wars.

These are people who can be trusted in saying torture stopped a second wave? What second wave? Nobody can find any evidence of a second wave.

When Clinton listened to law enforcement, then multiple terrorist attacks all over the world were averted. AND we know what those attacks were. We know those attacks were averted because we were told by honest people - not extremists. Where is even one fact that suggests a second wave was coming? Torture that routinely leads to lies and no useful intelligence proved a second wave was averted? Therefore we know attacks on the Golden Gate Bridge and Prudential Building were averted. Not!

At what point does this second wave myth become obvious even to the extremists? At what point was this second wave really only the Second Coming of Christ? We know this because the same person also told us that America does not do nation building? Fool me 1000 times; shame on you? Is that how it goes?

Learn reality folks. Those who promote torture routinely avoid reality. Such as: Jemaah Islamiya was destroyed completely and faster because they just asked nicely. It contradicts extremist mantra. Extremists know that only torture gets answers. Why? Because they just know. Rush Limbaugh said so.

Asking nicely with a sharp wit is how interrogation always worked. Torture is how we proved that Saddam had WMDs. Reality and extremism are antonyms. First extremists deny we were torturing. Now extremists say we had to torture. How many times must extremists be caught lying before we stop believing them?