Stolen plane

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by dar512

If there are hundreds of trucks crossing the border unchecked, I think that's worthy of concern. Do you have a cite for this?

I guess it depends on the definition of "unchecked". About 4 million enter the US from Mexico and Canada each year, over 10000 per day. I expect hundreds of them are unchecked, if not per day then at least per year.

That doesn't even count the trucks that pick up shipping containers from ports, and don't cross the borders themselves.

[dar512]

Here's what I'm hearing: "Don't worry about one little plane getting across the border unchecked. After all, we've got all these trucks coming through unchecked."

This is supposed to make me feel better?

[Happy Monkey]

Don't forget about all of the planes and trucks that drive around within the borders unchecked! That's how the Oklahoma City bombing happened!

[classicman]

eh hem... and 9/11.

But to say that this situation should not cause concern since there are these other issues that are worse, is again illogical.

[Happy Monkey]

I didn't mention 9-11, because those planes actually were checked, if not as carefully as passenger flights are today.

It is worth consideration, but it shouldn't cause more concern than other issues that are worse.

[tw]

Originally Posted by dar512

"Don't worry about one little plane getting across the border unchecked. After all, we've got all these trucks coming through unchecked."

This is supposed to make me feel better?

You are expected to put life into perspective. And be decent enough to answer my question the first time. You avoided the question where you would have to admit how trivial this Cessna really is.

Not only are hundreds of trucks crossing the border unchecked. What happens to hijacked and stolen trucks? Every truck is multiple times a greater threat then any Cessna. Therefore anytime a truck is stolen, hijacked, or unchecked, then it also must be a front page news story? The Cessna obviously was a trivial threat - hardly worth mentioning.

How often will extremist hype more "Saddam has WMDs" fears before we finally learn how irresponsible that source is? That Cessna is nothing more than a new twist on a routine security check. But to extremists, it proves that enemies are hiding everywhere to kill us all. At what point are extremist myths finally reduced to minimal credibility?

That Cessna was a near zero threat. Cessnas have a long history of, worst case, destroying an office. Or only putting a potmark on a White House wall. But 18 wheelers can easily destroy whole buildings. Therefore every unaccounted for tractor trailer must be a front page story? Only when wackos are promoting more hype, fear, and hate of mythical enemies.

Dar512 - get a grip. Stop empowering these wackos whose lies even wasted the lives of 4000 good American soldiers due to love of war and for the *glory* of hype, fear, and hate of a mythical enemy. That Cessna was a trivial event. Better described as a comedy where clowns in the audience participate in the joke.

[tw]

Originally Posted by wackoboy

eh hem... and 9/11.

Again an extremist rewrites history for a political agenda. American anti-terrorist officers were literally screaming "lights are flashing red". So a wacko administration moved Richard Clarke and his CSEG out of the White House. They drove this nation's #1 anti-terror investigator (John O'Neill) out of the FBI. Later, they even disbanded Alex Station - an office dedicated to only one purpose - get bin Laden.

And yet wackoboy would hype 9/11 as proof that enemies are lurking everywhere to kill us all. Instead we have met the enemy and he is our extremists.

Where was this nation's #1 anti-terrorist investigator when 9/11 happened? He was security for the WTC because he said the real enemy is coming. Not enemies hiding under every bed as wackoboy would now promote. Same enemy that got him thrown out of the FBI. 9/11 is directly traceable to an administration that intentionally subverted law enforcement because wackos, instead, saw enemies elsewhere ... where none exist.

So wackoboy rewrites history to see more enemies ... where none exist. He cites 9/11 - forgetting that it may not have happened had FBI agents in MN, AZ, NY, and IL been permitted to perform their job. How quickly wackos rewrite history to promote more fears when the real enemy was incompetent extremists in highest levels of government.

Why would extremists disband Alec station and Alec Station? And so we still have the same question that a wacko will never answer. When do we go after bin Laden? Wackos need bin Laden alive to promote hype, hate, and fear.

Clearly squadrons of Cessnas are massing at the border to kill us all. Americans with intelligence listen to centrists who saw the 9/11 threat – not wacko extremists who made it possible and who now invent mythical enemies to regain power. Wackoboy even perverts 9/11 to promote an agenda of hype, hate, and fear. This Cessna nonsense is simply his latest example.

[tw]

A stolen Cessna flys over the mid west far for any major targets. It gets hyped as if it could have been Al Qaeda coming again. Nonsense.

A small aircraft enters Washington restricted airspace on Friday. White House and Capitol evacuations began. Not only were F-16s dispatched. Also Coast Guard helicopters. But somehow this is a back page story? From the AP News:

Errant Plane causes brief White House lock down
"This has happened many times. The restricted zone in D.C., all it does is catch poor innocent people. They've never caught a terrorist, it's just people making a mistake," he said.

A second plane threatened that airspace the same day. Ho-hum.

Terrorists are plotting all the time to kill us all? Or sometimes extremists get all excited over non-events because terrorist are massing everywhere to kill us all?

[xoxoxoBruce]

The episode was over within minutes as two F-16 fighter jets and two Coast Guard helicopters were dispatched to intercept the plane and escort it to an airport in Maryland, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. North American Aerospace Defense Command spokesman Michael Kucharek said the two helicopters established communications with the pilot.

Unlike the stolen Canadian plane that did not respond to the interceptors. That's the difference.

[classicman]

nor was this one stolen, nor did this one come from another country, nor did this one fly erratically, nor did this one "not respond" ....
There is no comparison.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Unlike the stolen Canadian plane that did not respond to the interceptors.

This one actually had a few potential and serious targets. It did not respond to anyone until after an exvacuation of the Capitol and White House started and only after Coast Guard helicopters finally appeared on its wings.

Ho hum. A stole Cessan in North America that has no viable targets - that is a threat to no one - is hyped as if Al Qaeda was massing to kill us all. A non-event. Two planes threaten restricted airspace in Washington. The second gets even less response now that we realize the silliness of that Canadian Cessna threatening to take out a non-existant skyscraper.

F-16s dispatched to intercept errant planes has become quite routine. We would not be discussing any of this except that extremists need us to fear evil. Canadian Cessna was a non-event to most. It would have never even been posted but for classicman. And that is the point. Extremists are still hyping fear and hate at every opportunity.

Well, at least Hillary did not get blamed this time.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Pretty myopic, thinking that only skyscrapers and large planes are a concern. You're letting your hate cloud your judgement.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Pretty myopic, thinking that only skyscrapers and large planes are a concern.

Wacko fearful of one Cessna when numerous other Cessnas (including two in one day) easily threaten serious targets and get almost no attention. Even the Capitol and White House started to evacuate because nobody could contact that Cessna. But it gets no attention now that we have put that Canadian Cessna into perspective - Ho Humm.

Routine is to have stray planes threaten irrelevant targets. Routine is to have Cessnas also threaten Washington - without any public hype and fear. Excessive are extrmists who hyped this into more hate and fear of bogeymen hiding everywhere to kill us all.

Ironically same even refused to ask the serious question: when do we go after bin Laden? Clearly, a stray Cessna deserves more attention than getting bin Laden. Why does an extremist fear Cessnas and love it when we all but protect bin Laden? Hyping stray Cessnas and keeping bin Laden alive both promote the political agenda. Promote more hate, myths, and fear.

When extremists cannot defend their political agenda, then they post cheap shots to stir the pot. Or blame it all on Obama. This topic only exists to promote hate and fear - the political agenda.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I absolutely refuse to believe you don't get it. You're so bent on ridiculing Classic for posting his concerns about this incident you're purposely ignoring the obvious possible implications pointed out by UT, DAR, Queenie, and myself.

[classicman]

What else is new Bruce? This has been his game for years. Single out the one who vocally disagrees with him and continue to attack till they leave.