A New World Order

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.

Oh, so because they aren't willing to clean up their act, we shouldn't do it either? That is just dumb.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Not if it costs us billions while China can continue to chug along and build a new coal fired plant each week with no controls.

Maybe you forget which nation embarrassed the United States by advocating all nations (including themselves) conform to principles in the Koyoto Treaty? China. TheMercenary forgot to mention that major embarrassment when the US was the only nation in that international conference opposed to addressing global warming.

Well the days when America operates with contempt for the world is (hopefully) over.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Oh, so because they aren't willing to clean up their act, we shouldn't do it either? That is just dumb.

No, because it will continue to place a massive economic burden to make the changes while China and India have no controls or requirements and they can grow without the same cost. It is a great plan, if you are China and India. For the US, not so much.

[TheMercenary]

Canadians find vast computer spy network: report
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Canadian researchers have uncovered a vast electronic spying operation that infiltrated computers and stole documents from government and private offices around the world, including those of the Dalai Lama, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

In a report provided to the newspaper, a team from the Munk Center for International Studies in Toronto said at least 1,295 computers in 103 countries had been breached in less than two years by the spy system, which it dubbed GhostNet.

Embassies, foreign ministries, government offices and the Dalai Lama's Tibetan exile centers in India, Brussels, London and New York were among those infiltrated, said the researchers, who have detected computer espionage in the past.

They found no evidence U.S. government offices were breached.

The researchers concluded that computers based almost exclusively in China were responsible for the intrusions, although they stopped short of saying the Chinese government was involved in the system, which they described as still active.

"We're a bit more careful about it, knowing the nuance of what happens in the subterranean realms," said Ronald Deibert, a member of the Munk research group, based at the University of Toronto.

"This could well be the CIA or the Russians. It's a murky realm that we're lifting the lid on."

Continues.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090328/...ying_computers

[classicman]

Wasn't there a thread about Chinese hackers last year or so?
One article I read said that spam had a lot to do with this too. I can't find it now, but any of you IT guys have any input on this? How can they control my computer remotely?

[TheMercenary]

That is a pretty scary thought. They supposedly hacked into sensitive areas and were able to listen remotely or use the camera to see the room. Makes you seriously consider what you should leave attached to the puter when you are not using it. But of course I just turn mine off.

[sugarpop]

yes, that is very scary.

[ZenGum]

No it's not. We all look the same to them, so it doesn't matter.

[bigw00dy]

Front page of Cnn.com

Creeping up on us

Kinda like the cow's heading toward the slaughterhouse...They never know they are heading there, they just keep following the cow in front of them.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

No it's not. We all look the same to them, so it doesn't matter.

There is no 'them.' We have hackers combing through Chinese, Russian and Iranian servers as well. So them, as it turns out, is everybody. Which is as it has been for as long as anyone can remember.

Of course, you won't see a story in the Chinese, Russian or Iranian media about a major infiltration by US-led hackers. While this gives one the impression that we (the US) are getting our asses handed to us while we sit on our government butts eating jelly donuts, nothing could be further from the truth.

We can only see one side of the scoreboard. The game, in all likelihood, is either tied or with at most a marginal and ever-changing lead.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Beestie

There is no 'them.' We have hackers combing through Chinese, Russian and Iranian servers as well. So them, as it turns out, is everybody.

Which is how the intelligence community silenced all the hype and fear from the George Jr administration. They were reading memos from Iranian scientists on the uranium enrichment program. These scientists were often discussing how the mullahs were subverting the program due to perceived stupidity. Suddenly Iran did not have any bomb grade material because even the US government subverts computers.

Under the new powers of Fatherland Security and secret presidential findings, how much government is now legally tapping your computer? You also cannot be trusted. You too can be a sleeper cell.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw
Responsible bonuses. Nobody gets them until four to ten years later when the spread sheets actually report an employee’s real achievements.

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

Originally Posted by tw
According to classicman – retention bonuses because he (Wagoner)was doing so much good for GM.

False. Please CITE ONE TIME where I said anything about Wagoner deserving bonuses - Post anything to corroborate another of your blatant LIES. If not post an public apology and correction on the board. I have put up with you and your attacks for too long. It stops now. Either make your point with facts or STFU.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by classicman

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

It's pretty common for high rollers to defer compensation or get delayed stock options, so they will collect after their income level drops for tax purposes, or to get a bigger deal by waiting to collect.
Of course we're talking people that make seven figures yearly to begin with.
Actually, employer's matching funds in a 401k is pretty much the same deal.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Cite an example of that please. What industry has employees wait up to a decade for their pay?

Its not pay. Its a bonus. If you wanted to be intelligent, you would have known that.

If bonus is merit pay, then the pay should be determined when the merit is actually realized - four or ten years later. Is that too complicated for a wacko extremist? Probably.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Its not pay. Its a bonus. If you wanted to be intelligent, you would have known that.
If bonus is merit pay, then the pay should be determined when the merit is actually realized - four or ten years later. Is that too complicated for a wacko extremist? Probably.

This post contradicts what tw has posted earlier. Care to try again and either put-up or man-up and apologize.
Oh Whats the matter Tommy boy? Have to try to attack my intelligence now? You will lose terribly on that account as well. Try another or......

Please CITE ONE TIME where I said anything about Wagoner deserving bonuses - Post anything to corroborate another of tw's blatant LIES. If not post an public apology and correction on the board. I have put up with you and your attacks for too long. It stops now. Either make your point with facts or STFU.