While you're all outraged about the bailout...

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If it's not transparent, how do you, and I, and every media outlet know about it?
If you don't like the way they're doing it just say so, but stop lying about transparency.

Why would you consider it "lying"? When the hell does my assessment of what they are doing become a lie to you? I think it is pretty obvious my feelings otherwise, so why do you call it a lie?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Because you're lying about the process not being transparent. You may not like it but it is transparent. Everybody and their fucking brother knows what is going on, and you can't get more transparent than that.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because you're lying about the process not being transparent. You may not like it but it is transparent. Everybody and their fucking brother knows what is going on, and you can't get more transparent than that.

Your charaterization is bull shit.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Your characterization is bull shit.

I honestly just cant see how any objective person can characterize the threat of the Dems to use the "reconciliation" procedure as an issue of transparency.

The budget deliberation process since Obama sent his budget proposal to Congress two weeks ago has been completely transparent by any meaning of the word. To suggest otherwise is what is bullshit.

IMO, the Dems are using the procedure as a bargaining chip.

Its clear that the Dems intend is to begin the process of enacting serious health care reform in this session of Congress. If the Repubs want to play ball and participate in the process, they can.....much like the deliberations on the stimulus bill.

According to the latest report I read, the crafting of the legislative health care reform proposal will take place over the course of the next six months:

Republicans and some interest groups also protested a decision in the House to use a procedural maneuver known as reconciliation that would make it easier to pass comprehensive health legislation in the Senate.

In its version of a budget blueprint approved in committee Thursday, the House added language that sets a mid-September deadline for enacting health reform. If lawmakers do not act by then, a bill could be attached to the final budget, which would require 51 votes in the Senate, a much easier threshold than the 60 needed to defeat a filibuster.

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But if like the stimulus bill, all they want to do is bitch and whine and walk away from the table because they dont get everything or even most of what they want in a health care reform package, then the Dems are not going to let them block it with a Senate filibuster.

The Republicans are the minority....everyone understand what that means but them.

They had their chance to take the lead on health care reform for six years and did nothing.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Redux

The Republicans are the minority....everyone understand what that means but them.

It's about time the damn dems figured it out. I thought those morons would NEVER catch on.

Now I'm gonna put some popcorn on and watch the GOP howl on CSPAN.

Originally Posted by TGRR

It's about time the damn dems figured it out. I thought those morons would NEVER catch on.

Now I'm gonna put some popcorn on and watch the GOP howl on CSPAN.

Nothing wrong with trying for a little consensus building and bi-partisanship as a first step.

But when the Repubs take consensus building and bi-partisanship to mean they should have an equal voice rather than just a seat at the table and the opportunity to have their voice heard and then walk away in a huff when they dont get everything they want....then its time to play hard ball.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TGRR

It's about time the damn dems figured it out. I thought those morons would NEVER catch on.

Now I'm gonna put some popcorn on and watch the GOP howl on CSPAN.

hear hear. I'm SO glad they are doing it this way.

heh. btw did you see the budget the republicans put out? With no numbers in it? bwaaahahahahahahahahaaaa A budget with no numbers!!!

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

hear hear. I'm SO glad they are doing it this way.

heh. btw did you see the budget the republicans put out? With no numbers in it? bwaaahahahahahahahahaaaa A budget with no numbers!!!

Depends ... is infinity a number?

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Your charaterization is bull shit.

No, your accusations are. If they weren't being transparent, they'd be covering this up. They aren't. They're just strong-arming the minority party. Don't like it? Win an election.

Get used to it. You have at least 20 more months of it.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Because you're lying about the process not being transparent. You may not like it but it is transparent. Everybody and their fucking brother knows what is going on, and you can't get more transparent than that.

Merc's got his own definition of "transparent" that I'm pretty sure he's not going to let any of us know.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Oh, I'm sure most of us have figured it out already. He's replaced goddammit, sonuvabitch, and all other expletives at unwelcome news with, "where's the transparency".

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh, I'm sure most of us have figured it out already. He's replaced goddammit, sonuvabitch, and all other expletives at unwelcome news with, "where's the transparency".

Whatever you say there Boss. You are the mind reader around here, not me.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why would you consider it "lying"? When the hell does my assessment of what they are doing become a lie to you? I think it is pretty obvious my feelings otherwise, so why do you call it a lie?

Because it isn't true.