Will Soldiers Have to Use Private Ins?

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 01:22 PM

They do something to get it, and their reward is socialized medicine. Government-run medicine is a reward. Having to use private insurance and pay deductibles would be a diminishment of their reward.

It's fun to see Republicans touting government-run healthcare as a reward.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

They do something to get it, and their reward is socialized medicine. Government-run medicine is a reward. Having to use private insurance and pay deductibles would be a diminishment of their reward.

It's fun to see Republicans touting government-run healthcare as a reward.

It is not a reward. It is a contractual relationship. It is funny to watch people try to compare groups who do nothing and expect the goverment to give them free handouts to people who have a contract to give their life away for periods of years and say they are somehow the same.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 02:06 PM

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It is not a reward. It is a contractual relationship.

Is it? Is the VA actually in the contract, or is it legislatively mandated that veterans get in the VA? I don't know, but either way the distinction isn't particularly relevant. I wasn't using "reward" in a sense that is incompatible with a contractual relationship; I was using it in the sense of being a good thing provided in return for another good thing, which certainly can apply to a contract.

What I am drawing attention to is that this has forced the Republicans to tout socialized medicine as a good thing. Instead of saying how bad socialized medicine is, they have to say that the rest of us don't deserve it.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 03:11 PM

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What I am drawing attention to is that this has forced the Republicans to tout socialized medicine as a good thing. Instead of saying how bad socialized medicine is, they have to say that the rest of us don't deserve it.

Well what I am drawing attention to is that health care received by soldiers is not socialized medicine. Where socialized medicine that the Republickins bitch about is provided by government to anyone, because they breath. Not because they have a contractual relationship, like soldiers, but because they don't have to do anything to get it and in many cases pay nothing into the system who gives it to them. Apples and oranges. No comparison.

Happy Monkey · 03-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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You can't compare apples and oranges.

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Apples and oranges. No comparison.

Apples and oranges: a comparison.

Like I said, you have to go with "everyone else doesn't deserve it", rather than "the Government can't do it well".

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 03:23 PM

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Like I said, you have to go with "everyone else doesn't deserve it"...

It's a tough world out there. I don't have the answer or solution to the larger problem. Becareful what you wish for.

sugarpop · 03-20-2009, 04:27 PM

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Well what I am drawing attention to is that health care received by soldiers is not socialized medicine. Where socialized medicine that the Republickins bitch about is provided by government to anyone, because they breath. Not because they have a contractual relationship, like soldiers, but because they don't have to do anything to get it and in many cases pay nothing into the system who gives it to them. Apples and oranges. No comparison.

If it is run by the government and financed with taxes, it is socialized.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 04:29 PM

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If it is run by the government and financed with taxes, it is socialized.

Wrong. It is socialized if it is available to everyone regardless of how rich or poor they are.

sugarpop · 03-20-2009, 04:37 PM

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Wrong. It is socialized if it is available to everyone regardless of how rich or poor they are.

We will have to agree to disagree on that. You know where I stand. Right now we have socialist corporatism, not capitalism. Corporations get bailed out and are subsidized by the government, and they get to keep the profits. In many cases, their employees are on state funded medicaid programs because they get no insurance from their employers, even though they get government money, and they make hundreds of millions, sometimes billions, of dollars. I'm fucking sick of it. The system we have is B-R-O-K-E-N. We need to FIX it. Corporations are to greedy and corrupt to be trusted. The only system left is the government. Sad as that is.

sugarpop · 03-20-2009, 04:09 PM

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It is not a reward. It is a contractual relationship. It is funny to watch people try to compare groups who do nothing and expect the goverment to give them free handouts to people who have a contract to give their life away for periods of years and say they are somehow the same.

Sorry, but a lot of people who don't have health insurance work their ASSES OFF for increasingly diminished pay, and they pay taxes, in many cases paying MORE TAXES than rich people. Socialized health care is NOT FREE. It's paid for with taxes. I'm sick of people like you claiming somehow people who pay taxes don't deserve health care because it would be free, when it wouldn't be.

TheMercenary · 03-20-2009, 04:17 PM

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Sorry, but a lot of people who don't have health insurance work their ASSES OFF for increasingly diminished pay, and they pay taxes, in many cases paying MORE TAXES than rich people. Socialized health care is NOT FREE. It's paid for with taxes. I'm sick of people like you claiming somehow people who pay taxes don't deserve health care because it would be free, when it wouldn't be.

Sure it would be free to many if not most who would get it, esp under the Obama plan, from what we can see. The taxes are federal income taxes and those are not paid for by the lower end of the earning spectrum. We have been through this before. Don't confuse taxes you pay for stuff you buy or services you receive and federal income taxes. Federal taxes do not come from stuff you buy. We are talking about a federal program of health care. Just because you work your ass off for McDonalds does not promise you get anything.

Shawnee123 · 03-20-2009, 01:25 PM

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They do something to get it, and their reward is socialized medicine. Government-run medicine is a reward. Having to use private insurance and pay deductibles would be a diminishment of their reward.

It's fun to see Republicans touting government-run healthcare as a reward.

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