Can we stop talking about friggin' immigration?

[monster]

Originally Posted by lookout123

To be fair, how many people do you hear actually say they are against immigrants? I'm in Arizona and I don't even hear that here. I hear an awful lot of people complaining about illegal immigrants, but that is different.

Being fair, I hear people say shit about immigrants all the time. But what they really mean is illegals. One regular offender here is a local radio DJ who's parents are Irish FFS. You see less of it on the cellar because people are a little more carefiul with the written word and are generally smarter than your average bear, but "immigrant" is one of those words that invokes a knee-jerk reaction. Look how you've all jumped in to "defend" yourselves on Blue's perfectly legitimate nothingland thread. you could have just ignored it, but you know at some level you're guilty too, or you wouldn't be so touchy

[glatt]

The idea that it's only about illegal immigrants is a little disingenuous. If the only concern is about following the law, then where are all the threads against smoking pot, pirating music, breaking traffic laws, etc.?

There are other reasons that the immigrant/illegal immigrant debates are so hot. It's not about people breaking the law. It's about us versus them.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

The idea that it's only about illegal immigrants is a little disingenuous. If the only concern is about following the law, then where are all the threads against smoking pot, pirating music, breaking traffic laws, etc.?

There are other reasons that the immigrant/illegal immigrant debates are so hot. It's not about people breaking the law. It's about us versus them.

That and the job market. Oh, and the economy that supports illegals in a downturned time.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by glatt

The idea that it's only about illegal immigrants is a little disingenuous. If the only concern is about following the law, then where are all the threads against smoking pot, pirating music, breaking traffic laws, etc.?

There are other reasons that the immigrant/illegal immigrant debates are so hot. It's not about people breaking the law. It's about us versus them.

No, because we know that people that are caught, "smoking pot, pirating music, breaking traffic laws, etc." are punished, whereas these criminals are not.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by monster

Being fair, I hear people say shit about immigrants all the time. But what they really mean is illegals. Look how you've all jumped in to "defend" yourselves on Blue's perfectly legitimate nothingland thread. you could have just ignored it, but you know at some level you're guilty too, or you wouldn't be so touchy

I hear people talk about ILLEGAL immigrants - not immigrants.
Blue could have ignored this thread if she didn't like it or didn't want to participate in the discussion. Isn't that the way its supposed to work?

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by classicman

I hear people talk about ILLEGAL immigrants - not immigrants.

Originally Posted by classicman

Blue could have ignored this thread if she didn't like it or didn't want to participate in the discussion. Isn't that the way its supposed to work?

Let me try to provide an example to you, so that maybe you see my point of view and why I'm getting upset about all the stupid immigration talk.

Classic, how would you feel if you looked on the Cellar as sort of refuge of intelligence and camaraderie...yet as of late, threads were continually popping up about, say, the Great Abortion Debate.

And in these threads, some people--people that you normally like and respect--repeatedly insisted that what's inside a pregnant woman is NOT a baby at all, but in fact a fetus...and if a pregnant woman miscarries or aborts, it's the death of a fetus, NOT a baby.

After debating it as much or as little as you can stand, wouldn't it start to upset you--seeing a contentious topic that hits really close to home, come up over and over again in a place you love to visit? And being reminded over and over again of what people have said about it?

I just wished for a little break, that's all.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

I just wished for a little break, that's all.

Take as long a break as you wish - Thats your prerogative. Just don't read the thread. I don't understand why that is so difficult. To further the discussion by creating another thread about discussing that which you do not want to discuss makes even less sense.
Perhaps you should have created a thread about something else of interest to you and hopefully others who would then give you the "refuge of intelligence and camaraderie" that you are looking for.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

Take as long a break as you wish - Thats your prerogative. Just don't read the thread. I don't understand why that is so difficult. To further the discussion by creating another thread about discussing that which you do not want to discuss makes even less sense.
Perhaps you should have created a thread about something else of interest to you and hopefully others who would then give you the "refuge of intelligence and camaraderie" that you are looking for.

YOU think that is bad! Read this!

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=19842

[Queen of the Ryche]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

YOU think that is bad! Read this!

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=19842