ACORN'S HOUSING-RIGHTS HUSTLERS

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by Redux

I understand and accept the differences of opinion on the role of government.

What I find objectionable is the gross mischaracterizations by either side.

a system of government regulation as opposed to a completely "free market" is not socialism

a progressive tax system is not socialism

affordable and accessible health care for all is not socialism

This. Personally though, I don't think applying labels like that to a particular program and then filling in the gaps with assumed ZOMG BAD THINGS is ever appropriate. I don't care what label something is given, if it's an efficient government program that will do legitimate good and there's no alternative, then I'm all for it. But otherwise, I think people should be left to their own devices, and that some things such as a house or affordable health care are not "rights" at all but privileges of hard work and living in a wealthy nation. I don't want my tax dollars going to a program that can be done better by an NGO, or efforts to support legislating morality. Maybe I'm just jaded from living in a swing state and suffering through all the bullshit (gross misrepresentation) that surrounded this past election from both sides. Very few of them are real winners in my book. I need a drink.

Originally Posted by Bullitt

This. Personally though, I don't think applying labels like that to a particular program and then filling in the gaps with assumed ZOMG BAD THINGS is ever appropriate. I don't care what label something is given, if it's an efficient government program that will do legitimate good and there's no alternative, then I'm all for it. But otherwise, I think people should be left to their own devices, and that some things such as a house or affordable health care are not "rights" at all but privileges of hard work and living in a wealthy nation. I don't want my tax dollars going to a program that can be done better by an NGO, or efforts to support legislating morality. Maybe I'm just jaded from living in a swing state and suffering through all the bullshit (gross misrepresentation) that surrounded this past election from both sides. Very few of them are real winners in my book. I need a drink.

I have no argument with the above, even if I dont agree with it. It is certainly worth discussion in a reasonable and rational manner in another thread.

My point....google "obama socialsm" or "acorn voter fraud" while you have that drink and find anything resembling facts....rather than smears, innuendo, half truths and misrepresentations, name calling....

Unfortunately, it is the nature of political discourse these days.