Conspiriocracy

TGRR · 03-02-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It's true, and even more obvious today, what with the government buying up all these banks.

Interference means to disrupt a system from the outside. The government is, and always has been, an intrinsic part of the market, to some degree. The government regulates and taxes, and the market basically owns the government (again, just look at a recent newspaper, and tell me I'm wrong. I dare ya). Therefore it cannot interfere with the market any more than you can interfere with yourself.

TheMercenary · 03-03-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

It's true, and even more obvious today, what with the government buying up all these banks.

Interference means to disrupt a system from the outside. The government is, and always has been, an intrinsic part of the market, to some degree. The government regulates and taxes, and the market basically owns the government (again, just look at a recent newspaper, and tell me I'm wrong. I dare ya). Therefore it cannot interfere with the market any more than you can interfere with yourself.

Looking at the newspaper....

You are wrong. Being and intrisic part of a process and regulation does not equate into control. Our government has moved into the area of control in the last 2 months.

Kaliayev · 03-03-2009, 05:22 AM

Markets don't work without states providing requisites. Laws, courts, monopolies on the use of force, stable mediums of exchange and various non-market goods, though of course people disagree about what they precisely are.

All of that strikes me as interference. The only way to have a truly free market is with anarchy, and, well....given the vast range of difference between Actually Existing Anarchy (Somalia, Afghanistan) and Anarchy as Imagined by 19th Century Philosophers, that does not seem an especially enticing idea.

TGRR · 03-03-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Looking at the newspaper....

You are wrong. Being and intrisic part of a process and regulation does not equate into control. Our government has moved into the area of control in the last 2 months.

I said nothing about control. I said "interference". Totally different thing.

TheMercenary · 03-03-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

I said nothing about control. I said "interference". Totally different thing.

So in your mind control and interference are not the same thing when it comes to government intervention?

TGRR · 03-03-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

So in your mind control and interference are not the same thing when it comes to government intervention?

There's plenty of government control. There is no government interference, for the reason stated above.

TheMercenary · 03-03-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

There's plenty of government control. There is no government interference, for the reason stated above.

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. Care to back that up with some examples?

TGRR · 03-03-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That is a matter of opinion, not fact. Care to back that up with some examples?

Examples of a negative?

How does one do that?

classicman · 03-03-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

So in your mind control ....

TGRR · 03-03-2009, 08:44 PM

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
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03-03-2009, 05:22 AM	#3
Kaliayev Magnificent Bastard Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 216	Markets don't work without states providing requisites. Laws, courts, monopolies on the use of force, stable mediums of exchange and various non-market goods, though of course people disagree about what they precisely are. All of that strikes me as interference. The only way to have a truly free market is with anarchy, and, well....given the vast range of difference between Actually Existing Anarchy (Somalia, Afghanistan) and Anarchy as Imagined by 19th Century Philosophers, that does not seem an especially enticing idea.

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