Bobby Jindal

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by Pie

I don't know a single American of Indian descent that is proud of him. Personally, he makes me want to vomit.

That seems fair. I'm rarely proud of those whitey politicians myself.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Jindal is also being groomed for a run in 2012. (Though maybe less so now, I think even most Republicans agree he didn't come off that great.) He was considered a top contender for the VP slot before McCain chose Palin instead.

McCain didn't choose Palin. He wanted Liebermann, but the party wasn't having it, so they dumped Palin on him.

The results were predictable, and more than a little hilarious.

[Clodfobble]

1.) We already covered that fallacy last November. But if you'd like to take tw's version of events over Newsweek, that's your prerogative.

2.) If you think Palin lost the election for McCain, then you must not be that well-acquainted with many Republicans. They liked her more than McCain, and still do. The economy crashing just before the election is what pushed Obama over the top.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

2.) If you think Palin lost the election for McCain, then you must not be that well-acquainted with many Republicans. They liked her more than McCain, and still do. The economy crashing just before the election is what pushed Obama over the top.

You don't win the presidency by winning your base over. You should already have them. That dizzy twit from Alaska had pretty much everyone that isn't a conservative Christian uber-right wing republican either laughing, embarrassed, or horrified.

Palin cost McCain the middle.

EDIT: Also, Newsweek is a worthless rag.

[Clodfobble]

You don't win the presidency by winning your base over. You should already have them.

Somehow Bush won using the exact opposite of your logic.

"Having" your base is not the same thing as inspiring them to get off their asses and vote for you. It's all about who shows up.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Somehow Bush won using the exact opposite of your logic.

"Having" your base is not the same thing as inspiring them to get off their asses and vote for you. It's all about who shows up.

It is the growing independents/middle of the roaders who determined the recent outcome and will likely have the greatest impact in the short term.

The Democrats have opened their tent and expanded their constituency....The Republicans have rallied around their base and shut the center out.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

That seems fair. I'm rarely proud of those whitey politicians myself.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by TGRR

You don't win the presidency by winning your base over. You should already have them. That dizzy twit from Alaska had pretty much everyone that isn't a conservative Christian uber-right wing republican either laughing, embarrassed, or horrified.

Palin cost McCain the middle.

EDIT: Also, Newsweek is a worthless rag.

She sure lost him my vote.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

2.) If you think Palin lost the election for McCain, then you must not be that well-acquainted with many Republicans. They liked her more than McCain, and still do.

That doesn't invalidate the "Palin lost the election" theory. Palin did round up the Republican base and brought many people who were not going to vote to the voting booth on November 4th but with the help of other factors, Palin really only hurt McCain when it came to swing voters. It may have evened out and maybe Palin actually did help McCain compared to other potential candidates, we can never know (maybe???), but there is no doubt that Palin did not help McCain in many respects.

If McCain did win, there would be much uneasiness on how she would do, even more then Obama IMO, and her further polarizing the political landscape, while not exclusively, did nothing to help the situation as well.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Somehow Bush won using the exact opposite of your logic.

No, he didn't. Bush won over a little more than half of the middle, both times.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Redux

It is the growing independents/middle of the roaders who determined the recent outcome and will likely have the greatest impact in the short term.

The Democrats have opened their tent and expanded their constituency....The Republicans have rallied around their base and shut the center out.

...And now the Dems are doing their level best to lose in 2010.

What the hell is wrong with them? They're acting like caricatures of 1980s Dems.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Remember that story Bobby Jindal told in his big speech Tuesday night -- about how during Katrina, he stood shoulder-to-shoulder with a local sheriff who was battling government red tape to try to rescue stranded victims?

Turns out it wasn't actually, you know, true.

But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politico that in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone "days later." The spokeswoman said she thought Lee, who died in 2007, was being interviewed about the incident at the time.

This is no minor difference. Jindal's presence in Lee's office during the crisis itself was a key element of the story's intended appeal, putting him at the center of the action during the maelstrom. Just as important, Jindal implied that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. But it turns out Jindal wasn't there at the key moment, and played no role in making the rescue happen.

There's a larger point here, though. The central anecdote of the GOP's prime-time response to President Obama's speech, intended to illustrate the threat of excessive government regulation, turns out to have been made up.

[classicman]

Gee another politician who lied - unfortunately a much too common occurrence. Who's next?

[Kaliayev]

Originally Posted by TGRR

McCain didn't choose Palin. He wanted Liebermann, but the party wasn't having it, so they dumped Palin on him.

The results were predictable, and more than a little hilarious.

From what I heard, the Neocon faction of the GOP had been trying to court Palin as far back as the summer of 2007. Whether that was because they wanted to run her more nationally, or just as part of their inter-conservative tussle with the Paleocons (Palin had been a Buchanan supporter, once) is still unclear, however.

Either way, the wannabe Philosopher-Kings don't look especially smart.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang

From what I heard, the Neocon faction of the GOP had been trying to court Palin as far back as the summer of 2007. Whether that was because they wanted to run her more nationally, or just as part of their inter-conservative tussle with the Paleocons (Palin had been a Buchanan supporter, once) is still unclear, however.

Either way, the wannabe Philosopher-Kings don't look especially smart.

I've never assumed that the current crop of republicans is particularly intelligent. More like 40-60 year old half-bright frat boys with inherited money.