Obama: "I'm ready to negotiate with you, Iran." Iran: "Fuck you."

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Why do you defend him so much? I believe he was a terrible president, and I believe he broke laws in order to serve himself. I just hope he is one day held accountable for what he's done.

One day I woke up to find that nearly everybody decides what they believe by picking a side or a group or a clique and sticking to it relentlessly. In this view of the world, sides are "defended", where each side trots out its narrative of the world and we are urged to pick one size to fit all.

I don't care about any of that nonsense, I just try to figure out the truth. I'm as scientific as I can be, trying to recall and research actual facts and real, direct information, and trying to understand context as much as is possible for any one simpleton like myself. I find picking sides means you are dragged away from truth as you consume your favorite version of reality.

FWIW I didn't vote for Bush and for the last two elections I have voted straight D.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

One day I woke up to find that nearly everybody decides what they believe by picking a side or a group or a clique and sticking to it relentlessly. In this view of the world, sides are "defended", where each side trots out its narrative of the world and we are urged to pick one size to fit all.

I don't care about any of that nonsense, I just try to figure out the truth. I'm as scientific as I can be, trying to recall and research actual facts and real, direct information, and trying to understand context as much as is possible for any one simpleton like myself. I find picking sides means you are dragged away from truth as you consume your favorite version of reality.

FWIW I didn't vote for Bush and for the last two elections I have voted straight D.

OK. Thanks for clarifying that. But since so many serious allegations have surfaced over the past 6 years, don't you think we should investigate and find out what the truth really is? and IF any laws have been broken, do you not think people should be held accountable and tried for their crimes? (notice I did say IF they were guilty...)

and ftr, I almost always vote independent. I HATE the 2 party system.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

OK. Thanks for clarifying that. But since so many serious allegations have surfaced over the past 6 years, don't you think we should investigate and find out what the truth really is? and IF any laws have been broken, do you not think people should be held accountable and tried for their crimes?

As soon as the Vince Foster case is closed, and we know for certain that Bill Clinton wasn't running cocaine deals as Governor, and that Obama is a US citizen legal to be President, sure.

Allegations are easy -- just throw shit until it sticks. People love throwing shit -- people love to be in the game, getting attention, running plays for their side and feeling important. You got an unpopular Pres, more shit will be thrown and more will stick. Pretty soon you believe a lot of shit, and are calling for a Whitewater investigation, and when you don't find any real shit, you turn to prosecuting blowjobs.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Allegations are easy -- just throw shit until it sticks. People love throwing shit -- people love to be in the game, getting attention, running plays for their side and feeling important. You got an unpopular Pres, more shit will be thrown and more will stick. Pretty soon you believe a lot of shit, and are calling for a Whitewater investigation, and when you don't find any real shit, you turn to prosecuting blowjobs.

I'm not sure how a DoJ internal investigation of the Bush DoJ questionable "torture" memos by the Bush DoJ is "throwing shit" rather than the DoJ OPR and IG carrying out their legislatively mandated responsibilities.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad View Post

Allegations are easy -- just throw shit until it sticks. People love throwing shit -- people love to be in the game, getting attention, running plays for their side and feeling important. You got an unpopular Pres, more shit will be thrown and more will stick. Pretty soon you believe a lot of shit, and are calling for a Whitewater investigation, and when you don't find any real shit, you turn to prosecuting blowjobs.

Originally Posted by Redux

I'm not sure how a DoJ internal investigation of the Bush DoJ questionable "torture" memos by the Bush DoJ is "throwing shit" rather than the DoJ OPR and IG carrying out their legislatively mandated responsibilities.

Especially since Cheney has admitted on TV that they waterboarded people...

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

As soon as the Vince Foster case is closed, and we know for certain that Bill Clinton wasn't running cocaine deals as Governor, and that Obama is a US citizen legal to be President, sure.

Allegations are easy -- just throw shit until it sticks. People love throwing shit -- people love to be in the game, getting attention, running plays for their side and feeling important. You got an unpopular Pres, more shit will be thrown and more will stick. Pretty soon you believe a lot of shit, and are calling for a Whitewater investigation, and when you don't find any real shit, you turn to prosecuting blowjobs.

OK, so we should forget everything everyone has said, and go about our merry business, because the republicans mishandled an investigation and kept it going for years, when it should have been dropped? I'm sick of the corruption in Washington, and I want something done about it. I'm sorry to hear you don't. I don't like powerful (or rich) people getting away with stuff simply because they are powerful (or rich). That is not what our system of government is supposed to be about.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I don't like powerful (or rich) people getting away with stuff simply because they are powerful (or rich). That is not what our system of government is supposed to be about.

Why don't you like the democrats?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I don't like powerful (or rich) people getting away with stuff simply because they are powerful (or rich).

You hate everyone in Hollywood too? Geez and I thought they were your brethren.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

No. And I don't hate all poweful/rich people. Only the ones who are corrupt and unethical and step on those less fortunate in order to gain more for themselves.

Originally Posted by classicman

You hate everyone in Hollywood too? Geez and I thought they were your brethren.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

You hate everyone in Hollywood too? Geez and I thought they were your brethren.

Zinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng.... :p