16 illegals sue Arizona rancher - Page 3

Aliantha · 02-09-2009, 10:08 PM

Well you are a man of many talents aren't you? lol

TheMercenary · 02-09-2009, 10:09 PM

Few know the true depths.

Aliantha · 02-09-2009, 10:09 PM

And that's probably for the best...

TheMercenary · 02-09-2009, 10:11 PM

Point made and taken. I can't agree more.

sugarpop · 02-09-2009, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux

I am judging the one case by an Arizona Supreme Court ruling in favor of the US citizens whose rights he violated.

They were US citizens?

sugarpop · 02-09-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Few know the true depths.

*giggle*

classicman · 02-09-2009, 10:25 PM

Quote:

An Arizona farmer who has been waging war on illegals on his properity is now being sued by 16 illegals immigrants
According to the Mexican nationals, Roger Barnett, 64, violated their civil rights when he approached them and held them at gunpoint on his ranch near the U.S. Mexico border.

Bold mine.

sugarpop · 02-09-2009, 10:48 PM

OK, so I didn't read any of the links, I am just going by what was written here on the forum, and what I've heard about the border problems with illegals and the damage they do to people's land when crossing it illegally, which is significant.

I believe people have a right to protect their property. Since the federal government has pretty much tied the hands of border patrol agents, and there are not enough of them anyway, and people are being FORCED to handle the problem themselves, then I side with the property owners. People coming into the states illegally should not be able to sue someone who is protecting their property when they are on it illegally.

I will say this though. It sounds like he is also confronting people on land that does not belong to him. While I support his effort to stop the flow of illegals by calling the border patrol and turning them over, this begins to get more slippery. It is also true though that illegal drug lords are now using our public lands to grow pot. While I believe weed should be legalized and all laws should be repealed, I also recognize that illegals are walking over us and then crying foul when they are the ones breaking the law. To me it is ludicrous. It is like a thief suing their victim because said victim's dog bit the thief while he was burgling their house. WTF...

(for those who want cites...)
http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/article.php?sid=860
http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_...49043c420677df
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1141346.html

02-09-2009, 10:57 PM

My concern with this case is the rush to judgement w/o knowing all the facts...particularly based on this guys previous words and actions.

Beyond that, IMO, vigilantism is not the answer to the serious problems of border enforcement.

classicman · 02-09-2009, 11:01 PM

They admitted they were on HIS land. How much clearere does it get than that?

02-09-2009, 11:03 PM

Where did they admit that...or is that heresay from him?

What is the law in Ariz, re: threatening to kill alleged trespassers vs the civil rights of "people" (not just citizens) under the Constitution. I dont know.

I'm not condoning the action of the illegal immigrants....I'm just wanting to see such actions ruled by law, not by vigilantism.

Particularly regarding someone with such a questionable past.

classicman · 02-09-2009, 11:15 PM

Read the link! (post 37)
Lemme say this - as someone who lives in suburbia, it is probably quite difficult to imagine what life is like where he lives.

02-09-2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Read the link! (post 37)
Lemme say this - as someone who lives in suburbia, it is probably quite difficult to imagine what life is like where he lives.

I agree.

But I honestly cant see how this guy's past words and actions wouldnt raise a flag, at the very least.

By many accounts (and his words and actions), he is a hard core militant member of a growing vigilantism movement.

That should concern any law abiding citizens, IMO.

sugarpop · 02-09-2009, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree.

But I honestly cant see how this guy's past words and actions wouldnt raise a flag, at the very least.

By many accounts (and his words and actions), he is a hard core militant member of a growing vigilantism movement.

That should concern any law abiding citizens, IMO.

Well, if you had a bunch of land, and people were constantly invading it under cover of darkness, and they were leaving all kinds of trash on it, and killing your livestock, not to mantion all the human waste that would be left, wouldn't you eventually become a little militant, especially if the government was unwilling/incapable of doing anything about the problem? I know I would.

02-09-2009, 11:34 PM

Perhaps I would.

And perhaps if I was a dirt poor Mexican with no future, I might try to sneak across the border for a better life.

Both, illegal immigration and extremists vigilantism, are against the law.

02-09-2009, 10:08 PM	#31
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well you are a man of many talents aren't you? lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-09-2009, 10:09 PM	#32
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Few know the true depths. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-09-2009, 10:09 PM	#33
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	And that's probably for the best... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-09-2009, 10:11 PM	#34
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Point made and taken. I can't agree more. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-09-2009, 11:01 PM	#40
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	They admitted they were on HIS land. How much clearere does it get than that? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-09-2009, 10:48 PM	#38
sugarpop Professor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: the edge of the abyss Posts: 1,947	OK, so I didn't read any of the links, I am just going by what was written here on the forum, and what I've heard about the border problems with illegals and the damage they do to people's land when crossing it illegally, which is significant. I believe people have a right to protect their property. Since the federal government has pretty much tied the hands of border patrol agents, and there are not enough of them anyway, and people are being FORCED to handle the problem themselves, then I side with the property owners. People coming into the states illegally should not be able to sue someone who is protecting their property when they are on it illegally. I will say this though. It sounds like he is also confronting people on land that does not belong to him. While I support his effort to stop the flow of illegals by calling the border patrol and turning them over, this begins to get more slippery. It is also true though that illegal drug lords are now using our public lands to grow pot. While I believe weed should be legalized and all laws should be repealed, I also recognize that illegals are walking over us and then crying foul when they are the ones breaking the law. To me it is ludicrous. It is like a thief suing their victim because said victim's dog bit the thief while he was burgling their house. WTF... (for those who want cites...) http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/article.php?sid=860 http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_...49043c420677df http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1141346.html

02-09-2009, 10:57 PM	#39
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	My concern with this case is the rush to judgement w/o knowing all the facts...particularly based on this guys previous words and actions. Beyond that, IMO, vigilantism is not the answer to the serious problems of border enforcement.

02-09-2009, 11:03 PM	#41
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Where did they admit that...or is that heresay from him? What is the law in Ariz, re: threatening to kill alleged trespassers vs the civil rights of "people" (not just citizens) under the Constitution. I dont know. I'm not condoning the action of the illegal immigrants....I'm just wanting to see such actions ruled by law, not by vigilantism. Particularly regarding someone with such a questionable past. Last edited by Redux; 02-09-2009 at 11:11 PM.

02-09-2009, 11:15 PM	#42
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Read the link! (post 37) Lemme say this - as someone who lives in suburbia, it is probably quite difficult to imagine what life is like where he lives. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-09-2009, 11:34 PM	#45
Redux Guest Posts: n/a	Perhaps I would. And perhaps if I was a dirt poor Mexican with no future, I might try to sneak across the border for a better life. Both, illegal immigration and extremists vigilantism, are against the law.

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