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[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by classicman

Yeh, we could have left it up to the UN too. Oh wait we tried that.

Why is it OUR JOB to police the world? What if the world doesn't want us policing it?

Yes, I probably would since we are a democracy, not really a valid analogy to me.

So let me get this straight, you think that the United States has the right to go into any sovreign country that is not a democracy, and take over, so we can spread democracy? That is not very democratic.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

Why is it OUR JOB to police the world? What if the world doesn't want us policing it?

Because the entire planet knows how America acts -- and is all right with it. That's why. We're in the century-old habit of restoring order and leaving, and it's pretty clear to everyone who looks that this is basic to our political structure. Nobody in charge of a nation gets the creeps when our troops hit the beach nearby, or anywhere, for that matter. And frankly, no objections that matter to the world have been raised, either. The bad actors, yeah, they complain -- but nobody thinks the assholes should have it their way. The people who cheerlead for the assholes and bad actors within states are in America invariably the American Left, and this is considered the behavior of retards by everyone not of the American Left.

So let me get this straight, you think that the United States has the right to go into any sov[e]reign country that is not a democracy, and take over, so we can spread democracy? That is not very democratic.

Reeeally? So tell me: just how are despotic oligarchies (most of the nondemocracies are so ruled) maintained, and democracy doesn't occur? That's right, it's by the oligarchies' naked force. That, sugarpop, is what's not very democratic.

Remove the oligarchy's naked force and thus its ability to impede the development of democratic republican government, and you've got a good thing going, do you not? With the oligarchy eviscerated and neutralized, can they impede a democracy arising? No, they can't, and that's fine. It's amazing how many just plain Cellarites can't wrap their brains around this concept -- they are obsessed with trying to hit me over the head with straw-man arguments. Well, straw-man arguments are just that -- they're fakes. I annoy the hell out of these people when they find I don't do their fakes and aren't impressed by them. They can't grasp that I know better than that sophomoric stuff like Rich's -an addition to a quote box. Stunts like that are not reinforcements to your argument, Rich. How is it you didn't see that, Rich? Is it because you think Left? Looks that way to me!

You have to be a special kind of subadult to stay Left, I find. The Left wants you both immature and dependent. None for me, thanks.

So far, your thinking looks heavily clouded. The Left does that to otherwise good people, and the way into clear light and clear thinking is to research what the American conservative periodicals are saying. Personally, I resent the American Left, and think them foolish. It also amuses me that they prove their foolishness so regularly and abundantly.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Reeeally? So tell me: just how are despotic oligarchies (most of the nondemocracies are so ruled) maintained, and democracy doesn't occur? That's right, it's by the oligarchies' naked force. That, sugarpop, is what's not very democratic.

Remove the oligarchy's naked force and thus its ability to impede the development of democratic republican government, and you've got a good thing going, do you not?

The best and most secure removal of despots occurs from within, not by the invasion by external forces attempting to impose their own brand of democracy.

Examples like:

The labor movement in Poland and the intelligentsia movement in the Czech Republic

The yellow revolution in the Phillipines.

The rose revolution in the Republic of Georgia.

The purple revolution in the Ukraine.

The end of apartheid in South Africa

A rainbow of relatively peaceful transition from despot to democracy!