Anonymous Mom, No Dads, + 14

[TheMercenary]

I think in this new age of Socialist Capitalism and the Second Coming, Obama needs to finally make a law that requires permits for pregnancy of any kind. I would support that.

[HungLikeJesus]

Tod: You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car - hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father.

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[Shawnee123]

omg...I love that movie, and that line. Awesome, HLJ.

[Clodfobble]

Oh, wow.

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
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"She doesn't have any more (frozen embryos), so it's over now," she said. "It has to be."

She already had the embryos, but even at the rate of roughly one baby every year (six kids, ages seven and under,) she was already 33 and time was ticking by. So she found the one doctor who would implant them all at once. I take it back, she's not just irresponsible, she's got a psychological problem.

[DanaC]

I don't know much about it, but I have heard that some women get 'addicted' or tied into the baby stage of motherhood. Maybe this woman has a problem. What I can't get my head around is the doctor who would carry out such a procedure on a woman with no fertility issues (clearly) an already large family and then implant so many embryos.

[Clodfobble]

That's the thing, she did have fertility issues--all of her previous six children were conceived through in vitro as well. She created and froze a bunch of embryos all with the same sperm donor, and has been using them ever since. No word on how many embryos they implanted in the previous births (she had one set of twins, but the rest were singles,) maybe they had reason to believe that only a couple would actually implant. But 8 is still unethical.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Population growth is hard to curb and a full out attempt will most likely cause a backlash just as great as the original problem. Not to mention that we are going into the world of telling how many babies a person can have.

While I believe in personal freedom and I believe people should basically have the right to do pretty much whatever they want, as long as they aren't harming anyone else or doing damage, I have no problem going into the territory of forced control of the number of kids people can have. My god, if you want more, adopt. There are plenty of poor, unwanted kids out there.

Though, I do believe we should work on curbing population growth, but we have to be smart and rational about it. Another large part of this is that we need to become much more efficient with food, water, and energy. We need to start investing massive amounts into those sectors (engineering in general) if we want to avoid major problems in the future.

Yes. I believe we need to get serious about alternative energy and electric cars. Instead of importing so much food, we should be supporting local organic farmers. We need to start making things in this country again. Shipping massive consumer goods all the way from China and India is just not efficient.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

We need a good meatball strike. Clean things up a little.

fixed
Ramen.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

What I can't get my head around is the doctor who would carry out such a procedure on a woman with no fertility issues (clearly) an already large family and then implant so many embryos.

I don't want ANY doctor making a decision for me on how I should live my life.

I want a doctor to tell me the risks involved (in the procedure, with my lifestyle choices, whatever). If, at that point, I choose to go ahead with (the procedure, with my risky behavior), then I want that doctor to do his best while treating me.

Are you really willing to advocate letting doctors impose their morality on patients?


ps...not picking on you, Dana, you just worded that really well...

[glatt]

First, do no harm.

[wolf]

No surprise, she's on disability, for a back injury. Apparently she gets $27,500/year.

[Shawnee123]

Onyx...I'm just curious: how do you feel about assisted suicide for terminally ill patients?

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

I don't want ANY doctor making a decision for me on how I should live my life.

Don't put your reproduction in the hands of doctors then.

Are you really willing to advocate letting doctors impose their morality on patients?

Ummmm - yep.

Mebbe it's a European thing.
Not being as religious, we tend not to have a deal with the soul kinda thing. Which is why stem cell research is not such a big deal over here.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by glatt

First, do no harm.

Let me just have a little conversation with myself here.


I looked up the Hippocratic oath after making that post above. Turns out it isn't in the oath, although similar language is. One interesting thing is that the oath seems to prohibit a doctor performing abortions. The original text is below, translated into English:

I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.

To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

I will not give a lethal drug to anyone if I am asked, nor will I advise such a plan; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

So I wondered if there was a modern version of this oath. It seems that there are many modern versions, and each school chooses its own.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by wolf

No surprise, she's on disability, for a back injury. Apparently she gets $27,500/year.

I just knew it had to be something like this. So who paid for the procedure then? IS she on some type of Gov't funded insurance?
PLEASE tell me we didn't pay to create this situation too. Please?