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[Undertoad]

Hamas cannot fight with any other method besides the one they are doing now and Israel cannot either. To blame either side for their methods of fighting is pointless, idealistic, and will not solve anything. Neither side will change.

Hamas's very charter clearly states that its goal is the destruction of Israel. From Hamas point of view, the cease fire was made so that it could restock its supply of weapons, which it did by sea and through smuggling tunnels.The basic truth is that if Hamas doesn't fight, Israel doesn't fight. Please acknowledge that basic truth.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Hamas's very charter clearly states that its goal is the destruction of Israel. From Hamas point of view, the cease fire was made so that it could restock its supply of weapons, which it did by sea and through smuggling tunnels.The basic truth is that if Hamas doesn't fight, Israel doesn't fight. Please acknowledge that basic truth.

I have heard that from Israel also, that their goal is the complete destruction of the Palestinian people. The radicals on both sides want mutual destruction. The sad part, there are LOTS of Palestinians, and also Israelis, who truly want peace. I seem to remember when Clinton was office, they were making headway. You seem to want to only blame Hamas, but the Israeli govt has just as much blame. It is the Zionist religion causing problems as much as Hamas.

Again, I really believe we should stop all funding to Israel. I'm hoping President Obama can help broker some kind of peace treaty.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I have heard that from Israel also, that their goal is the complete destruction of the Palestinian people.

That is not the official stance of the Israeli government. It is the official stance of Hamas, the current government of the Palestinian People. You can't continue to put radical beliefs and statements by minority extremists on the government as a whole.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That is not the official stance of the Israeli government. It is the official stance of Hamas, the current government of the Palestinian People. You can't continue to put radical beliefs and statements by minority extremists on the government as a whole.

There are some extremists in the Israeli govt who want this. Do they all? Probably not. But to think there aren't some is gullible. Zionist thought is to completely take over the country.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

There are some extremists in the Israeli govt who want this. Do they all? Probably not. But to think there aren't some is gullible. Zionist thought is to completely take over the country.

It is not the official policy of the Israeli government. Their solution is the 2 State Solution and they are waiting for Hamas to agree to their right to exist as a country. Extremists and Ziontists do not run the Israeli government nor do they control the Army.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

It is not the official policy of the Israeli government. Their solution is the 2 State Solution and they are waiting for Hamas to agree to their right to exist as a country. Extremists and Ziontists do not run the Israeli government nor do they control the Army.

I have seen more than one documentary/interview with members of Hamas where they have said they would agree to the 2 state solution if Israel agreed to the pre-1967 borders. ummm, lots of members of the Israeli govt are Zionists.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I have heard that from Israel also, that their goal is the complete destruction of the Palestinian people.

Citation needed

Again, I really believe we should stop all funding to Israel.

The bulk of the aid started, along with military aid to Egypt, during the 1979 peace negotiations. Without the aid, Israel had no motivation to give up the Sinai peninsula, with its oil, and its strategic military positions from which Israel had been attacked several times. But, you know, whatever.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Citation needed

It was on Frontline a couple of years ago. I don't remember the name of the program, but you can go online to pbs.org/frontline and watch any of their shows. They are all available online.

The bulk of the aid started, along with military aid to Egypt, during the 1979 peace negotiations. Without the aid, Israel had no motivation to give up the Sinai peninsula, with its oil, and its strategic military positions from which Israel had been attacked several times. But, you know, whatever.

It doesn't matter how it started, I'm talking about the situation now, today. If we quit funding them and started brokering a peace treaty, along with other countries (both Middle Eastern and European), maybe they would be forced to work it out eventually.