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[classicman]

PH - READ CAREFULLY - Where did I mention Hamas in my post? I specifically did not.

There is no win here for anyone. Whether anyone concedes land or whatever else the other side wants. They are all at fault. They don't know how to, nor (I believe) want to live in peace. Everything in their existence is based upon hate for the others.
*Note* I have not specified one side versus the other - its all of them it IS who and what they and their culture is based upon.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by classicman

PH - READ CAREFULLY - Where did I mention Hamas in my post? I specifically did not.

My fault. Sorry about that again.

Originally Posted by classicman

There is no win here for anyone. Whether anyone concedes land or whatever else the other side wants. They are all at fault. They don't know how to, nor (I believe) want to live in peace. Everything in their existence is based upon hate for the others.

I disagree that these people do not want to live in peace. I believe they are just like everyone else. They want to live in peace under their own terms. The problem is that the terms directly contradict each other and that is why the violence will not stop.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Hamas's very charter clearly states that its goal is the destruction of Israel. From Hamas point of view, the cease fire was made so that it could restock its supply of weapons, which it did by sea and through smuggling tunnels

It has been mentioned that Hamas would be willing to accept a two state solution on 1948 (I think??) lines. I do not believe that Hamas will pursue the total destruction of Israel because they know that is unrealistic unless a great power shift occurs. These comments are more than likely just hype to get a political and popular base.

Even if their goal was "pure", corruption would enter eventually. It always does.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The basic truth is that if Hamas doesn't fight, Israel doesn't fight. Please acknowledge that basic truth.

I acknowledge that fact but that is only part of this situation. As I said in my earlier post, this is a power disparity problem, not a moral one. Israel has control of all food, water, and energy resources, has the backing of the strongest nation in the world, and have the economic power to hold its own. Hamas does not. White collared criminals do not need to use violence to hurt others but blue collared criminals do. Once again, it comes down to power. So even though your statement is true on a violence scale, it does not represent the situation as an entirety.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

It has been mentioned that Hamas would be willing to accept a two state solution on 1948 (I think??) lines.

It is the pre- 1967 borders, when Israel took over the West Bank and Gaza.