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Old 01-10-2009, 10:46 PM   #1
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Of course. According to your reasoning, its been going on since the end of neanderthal man. But then classicman always posts attacks AND never risks posting a fact. Did classicman every cite a supporting facts for this (or any other) post? Of course not. He is doing as any good wacko would do. Post accusations and post subjectively - as he learned from listeningt to Rush Limbaugh.

Cite? classicman never posts citations. That is classic Limbaugh.
He asked for a citation for why you picked the 80's as the defining moment. That, Sir, is a legitimate question, and your tirade is way out of line.
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Meanwhile PETA (and Aliantha) miss the point. Since the 1980s, the world has massively depleted all fish stocks including something new - killing off and throwing back of 25% of the fish stock. A problem so severe that even after 16 years without fishing, the cod still have not returned to the Grand Banks. A problem now found all over the world.
Couldn't of you just said that in the first place? Maybe they missed your point (not the point), because you told why you think the change in fishing technique has depleted fish stocks, while others including myself, are thinking about man's inhumanity to the oceans that has been going on for a very long time, and in more ways than just overfishing. While your point may be valid, you're thinking like an MBA. Our treatment of the oceans is much more troublesome than decreased food production. That, is the bigger point.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:41 AM   #2
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He asked for a citation for why you picked the 80's as the defining moment. That, Sir, is a legitimate question, and your tirade is way out of line.
His is not a legitimate question because 'cite' without facts to justify a doubt is simply classicman's passive aggressive mockery again. You, on the other hand, are asking for further clarification in a responsible manner that includes clarification or foundation for your doubt or question. So you get a reply - not the turd.

Studies cite the 1980s as a point which fisheries were being depleted to levels that began a complete collapse of various species. It is now estimated that 90% of all species are in various stages of that complete collapse. Cod on the Grand Bank being a worst case example of what has been happening. After 16 years of banned fishing, Cod numbers still remain depleted for reasons not fully understood.

The 1980s is also when fish caught, killed, and thrown back went from near zero to 25%. Mankind now also trashes many other species that are important to stability of the ocean’s balance. Perfect example of what created this problem are drift nets which came into widespread use in the 1980s.

1980s is cited often as the time that numbers of fish taken exceeded a supportable number. Something like five of the world’s seven largest fisheries are now in trouble – on the verge of completely collapse. A problem made even more obvious by virtually no fish now around Taiwan and Japan where fish stock were depleted to complete collapse. The fish stocks never returned. What happened there long ago is now (and suddenly) being discovered all over the world.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:57 AM   #3
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His is not a legitimate question because 'cite' without facts to justify a doubt is simply classicman's passive aggressive mockery again.

You, on the other hand, are asking for further clarification in a responsible manner that includes clarification or foundation for your doubt or question. So you get a reply - not the turd.
Oh really? Again with the attack. ok, Where is the cite provided for tw's reply to Bruce who simply restated classicman's request? Looks like tw again wrote a long post based upon tw's assumptions, opinions and/or politics without any proof. Something that one poster would call "whacko extremist." Interesting indeed.
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Old 01-11-2009, 12:08 PM   #4
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His is not a legitimate question because 'cite' without facts to justify a doubt is simply classicman's passive aggressive mockery again.
I disagree.
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