View on the recent Gaza/Israel stikes

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

You favor the Pals...? awesome.
-- You hate what Israel has done to them...? granted.
---- You support a terrorist organization ruling them and attacking Israel... destroying Gaza and killing Palestinians to do it...? you've lost the plot.

Hahahaha. Do you really think I repeat "both sides have faults in this" just so I sound unbiased to put forward my biased pro-Palestinians pro-Hamas opinions? If I thought Israel was at sole fault I would have said it and my posts would have been much different.

I have been pointing out the pro-Israeli posts because I disagree with them. This for example...

Originally Posted by Classicman

I agree with you Dana that it must be really difficult to live under those circumstances. Blaming Israel for their plight is not the answer nor is firing rockets at them going to make things better . . . only worse.

There is nothing wrong in terms of facts in this post. But he has made assumptions on what the Palestinians demand and what the actions of Hamas are.

Palestinians do not want to live as dogs. They are currently dependent on humanitarian sources for survival. Classicman is making the claim that Palestinians should be content with this and stop the fighting so they can live their lives as dogs without disturbing the Israelis. [sarcasm]Hell maybe they can learn to be civilized as well like the Israelis if they took up their culture and religion[/sarcasm].

Hamas is not looking for peace until the state of Israel is taken over. Basically, they would like to see the situation switched. They would like to see the Jews living like dogs so the Muslims can live in peace.

Maybe you can understand now why I don't side with either of those groups because neither side is realistic. The Palestinians have shown they will fight before they live as dogs and we know the Jews will fight to the death before they live like dogs again. Both sides are unrealistic and will bring more fighting and death.

I do not go against your views because I hate the Jews, even though I strongly disagree with Zionism, but because it cannot happen. That is why I said there are faults on both sides, neither ideology can lead to a peaceful solution.


If you still side with the belief that the Palestinians should give up their attempts at self-sufficiency so both sides can live in peace, I honestly don't really care. You can believe that a peaceful solution can come out of this and maybe you are right, but I disagree. I do not see a solution coming out of this and hence my views.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

And one does notice that they are importing missile parts and not, you know, food and medicine and other such goods.

Are you serious? Everyone knows that Hamas was importing weapons. It wasn't a secret by any means. If it makes you feel any better, the reason why Hamas agreed to the six month ceasefire was to gain complete control over Gaza. This could only happen if the population was fed (siege) and Hamas was supplied (border crossings). Israel provided neither so Hamas attacked, probably actually as bait. Israel took the bait and now support for Hamas has grown throughout Gaza and even now the West Bank. Many news sources are now criticizing Israel's actions and and foreign leaders are telling Israel to stop. If Hamas gets taken out from their government role by Israel, they will return to an underground movement. It might be possible that Israel will be able to suppress Hamas, but I guess we will have to see.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Classicman is making the claim that Palestinians should be content with this and stop the fighting so they can live their lives as dogs without disturbing the Israelis.

I NEVER made that claim, far from it. No one should "live like dogs."

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Hamas is not looking for peace until the state of Israel is taken over. Basically, they would like to see the situation switched. They would like to see the Jews living like dogs so the Muslims can live in peace.

What's their plan B? Cuz history has proved that one isn't going to work.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Hahahaha. Do you really think I repeat "both sides have faults in this" just so I sound unbiased to put forward my biased pro-Palestinians pro-Hamas opinions?

Although Dana made it sound like I was directing at you, I wasn't. I was pointing out that you were wrong about the cease-fire earlier but my last message was directed to all.

Israel took the bait and now support for Hamas has grown throughout Gaza and even now the West Bank.

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Many news sources are now criticizing Israel's actions

1) European news sources?
1a) They haven't failed to criticize everything Israel has ever done. An Israeli picks his nose in Tel Aviv and the French report it as an offensive against innocent boogers.
2) This is confused, isn't it? News sources report facts, opinion sources criticize. When the news sources criticize we can no longer trust their facts.

If Hamas gets taken out from their government role by Israel, they will return to an underground movement. It might be possible that Israel will be able to suppress Hamas, but I guess we will have to see.

"Hamas has nothing left but rockets"