Bad Santa. No, I mean REALLY Bad.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by Radar

Sundae's stats don't prove anything. Stats vary widely from one country to another.

True.
Figures for the US please.

The second sentence of his quote says that murder of children is often by the mother which leans towards supporting what I've said about seeing more stories in the news about women murdering their own kids than men doing so. Step-fathers don't count.

Actually you said:

Women kill their children a lot more than men, but when this happens women try to think of excuses for them.

Not the same thing at all.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

True.
Figures for the US please.

I wouldn't know where to get such data.

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Actually you said:
Not the same thing at all.

The main point of my statement saying that women kill their kids more, is to point out the hypocrisy that when Andrea Yates (a woman who should be slowly lowered into a wood chipper an inch at a time) murdered her 5 kids, insane American women were blaming her husband and whining about postpartum depression when if a man committed the same crime, they'd be demanding that he get strung up by his balls.

There is no bond greater than that between children and their mother. This is why there is no betrayal more great than when a mother murders her kids and why I find it even more offensive than when a man does it. And trust me, when a man does it, I want him to suffer horrific pain for every single day remaining of his life and hope that he gets the death penalty in some extremely painful way after being gang raped repeatedly by big dudes with AIDS.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Radar

There is no bond greater than that between children and their mother. This is why there is no betrayal more great than when a mother murders her kids and why I find it even more offensive than when a man does it. And trust me, when a man does it, I want him to suffer horrific pain for every single day remaining of his life and hope that he gets the death penalty in some extremely painful way after being gang raped repeatedly by big dudes with AIDS.

There. Right there, in bold is probably the most illuminating thing you've said in a long time Radar. This is also a likely reason for the disproportionate level of interest the media takes in female infanticides. In the UK, though more fathers kill their children than do mothers, there is more coverage in the media of those mothers than of murdering fathers. If the father's crime is particularly violent, the children's fate particularly heart-rending, or contains enough salacious details like a supposed affair, or messy divorce, or even better, if it's an honour killing with pizazz, the media is all over it. But most of the fathers who kill their children warrant little more than a headline in the local rag.

A woman though? A woman who kills her baby? Well that just about flies in the face if everything we believe ourselves to be. The trouble is Radar, that not all mothers have that sacred bond, that glowing line mystically connecting mother and child. It just doesn't happen for some. And that's a hell of a lot more common than you might think. Now for some of those new mum's that bond will be established, just a little later and with a little counselling, or support. For some it doesn't. Is her crime still more heinous than his?

And post-partum depression isn't an excuse it's a medical condition. That it might be misused as an excuse in some cases doesn't stop it being true in others. I'm a woman, I get the hormones thing, i understand; but I don't understand that level of hormonal flux, nor ever will, unless I have a child. That woman's body grew another person you don't think that's going to have serious chemical implications in her body? So much of what we do and think is governed by chemical activity in the brain.