Privacy, I don't need no stinking privacy

Griff · 08-15-2003, 12:37 PM

I thought it'd be interesting to start a thread on privacy, just to see what sort of invasion does or doesn't offend folks.

From Yahoo

What is likely to be zipping across your airspace are identified flying objects of the terrestrial kind. They are better known as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and these robotic policing craft are loaded with high-tech sensors and other snooping gear.

I'm done picking my nose in the car, I'll tell you that.

99 44/100% pure · 08-15-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Griff

I'm done picking my nose in the car, I'll tell you that.

No amount of federal, state or private snooping can compare to the daily inquisition one faces when rearing children. Nose-picking went out the window at about the same time as peeing with the door open. I can't so much as scratch my back without one of my three kids asking "Do you have a mosquito bite?" "Why are you doing that? You look retarded." "Didn't you take a shower?"

Government -- HAH!

SteveDallas · 08-15-2003, 02:37 PM

Mrs. Dallas has the same complaint. They just come in and talk to her while she's in the shower or using the bathroom. It drives her up the wall. (They pretty much ignore me, though.)

vsp · 08-15-2003, 02:37 PM

I get annoyed when retail cashiers routinely ask me for my phone number, area code, ZIP code and other identifiers when I'm buying things. When you refuse, sometimes it really throws them for a loop.

I was buying a $2.99 cable at Radio Shack about a year ago, and the cashier immediately asked for my ZIP code. I asked why it mattered, and he wouldn't continue the transaction! He just stood there, staring vacantly, as I asked why he NEEDED a personal identifier to sell someone a $3 audio cable who was paying cash.

Finally, I just grinned, sat the cable down and walked out. "Where are you going?", he asked. "Target," I said. "If you consider demographics more important than customer service, you don't get sales." The look on his face was priceless.

99 44/100% pure · 08-15-2003, 02:41 PM

Unfortunately, the priceless look was more likely due to trying to figure out what all those big words meant, rather than his reaction to your radical idea.

headsplice · 08-15-2003, 03:20 PM

I read a really good article about public monitoring a year or so ago. The author spoke about public cameras that supposedly keep records of crimes. The author stated that there is no way we, as citizens, are going to get away from cameras. However, the author also described a situation that would be great. Instead of having a database that only gov. officials (police, FBI, etc...) have access to, make the DB of vids open to EVERYONE. That way, instead of an Orwellian nightmare, you have what could be a freer, more open society (perhaps, the author was a bit overly-optimistic).
More generally, I don't want people sticking their noses in my business. I don't hurt anyone except myself, and I think people should leave me the hell alone. UAV's over US airspace is a scary thought. It feels like grease on the slippery slope to the Thought Police.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-15-2003, 04:01 PM

And in Philly it's illegal to wear a mask.

When the clerk starts to ask for info I tell then I'm already on their mailing list. If that doesn't work, Cash, John Cash - Nashville.

Skunks · 08-15-2003, 05:17 PM

I've adopted the belief that privacy isn't about not being seen, it's about being left alone. To quote NationStates (did anybody else play that game?) "When you go outside, PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU."

It's easy enough to ignore people snooping on my personal life if they don't comment on it, and, at some point, the stress of keeping them out will no longer be worth the unpleasantness of letting them in. Apathy reigns supreme.

Not that I have much of a personal life, anyway.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-15-2003, 05:29 PM

Skunks, the problem as I see it, is you don't know what information, the people that are watching you, are keeping. They can record a lot of random statements and actions, out of context, that could add up to a pretty damning dossier of circumstantial evidence. One that is hard to defend against, or indeed, to explain, even if you did remember the original occasions.

JeepNGeorge · 08-15-2003, 08:39 PM

privacy went out of vouge several years ago.

no cards

Target. That's one of the worst offenders for consumer privacy.

I hope you all don't use the little value customer cards either. I'll skip the extra 5% savings to not have them keep a record of what I buy.

Fluffy the Kat · 08-15-2003, 08:57 PM

Dear Persons-

I sure appreciate your comments about there being no privacy anymore, and, MAN! UAV's!(?)! They're already over here in Signal Hill, Calif. 90075. Phooey on Target and those dumb bunnys, Can't use them, either!

Ha!

Your Pal,

Fluffy

warch · 08-15-2003, 09:05 PM

Enjoy the show!
Just leave me the hell alone.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-16-2003, 06:58 AM

Jeep, the grocery cards don't bother me. I'm hoping the asshats will pay attention and stock what I buy regularly.
Of course I don't use the card when I buy jock itch spray.

Tobiasly · 08-16-2003, 08:39 AM

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Originally posted by JeepNGeorge
I hope you all don't use the little value customer cards either. I'll skip the extra 5% savings to not have them keep a record of what I buy.

Who cares if they know what you buy? So they send you targeted junk mail, instead of general junk mail. Big deal.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-16-2003, 08:46 AM

Not if you give them the wrong address.

08-15-2003, 12:37 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Privacy, I don't need no stinking privacy I thought it'd be interesting to start a thread on privacy, just to see what sort of invasion does or doesn't offend folks. From Yahoo What is likely to be zipping across your airspace are identified flying objects of the terrestrial kind. They are better known as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and these robotic policing craft are loaded with high-tech sensors and other snooping gear. I'm done picking my nose in the car, I'll tell you that. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-15-2003, 02:41 PM	#5
99 44/100% pure Infrequently Astonished Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Baltimore metro area Posts: 324	Unfortunately, the priceless look was more likely due to trying to figure out what all those big words meant, rather than his reaction to your radical idea. __________________ Overcompensating for the 0.56% that is irredeemably corrupted.

08-15-2003, 03:20 PM	#6
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	It isn't paranoia if they're actually coming to get you I read a really good article about public monitoring a year or so ago. The author spoke about public cameras that supposedly keep records of crimes. The author stated that there is no way we, as citizens, are going to get away from cameras. However, the author also described a situation that would be great. Instead of having a database that only gov. officials (police, FBI, etc...) have access to, make the DB of vids open to EVERYONE. That way, instead of an Orwellian nightmare, you have what could be a freer, more open society (perhaps, the author was a bit overly-optimistic). More generally, I don't want people sticking their noses in my business. I don't hurt anyone except myself, and I think people should leave me the hell alone. UAV's over US airspace is a scary thought. It feels like grease on the slippery slope to the Thought Police. __________________ Don't Panic

08-15-2003, 04:01 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And in Philly it's illegal to wear a mask. When the clerk starts to ask for info I tell then I'm already on their mailing list. If that doesn't work, Cash, John Cash - Nashville. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-15-2003, 05:29 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Skunks, the problem as I see it, is you don't know what information, the people that are watching you, are keeping. They can record a lot of random statements and actions, out of context, that could add up to a pretty damning dossier of circumstantial evidence. One that is hard to defend against, or indeed, to explain, even if you did remember the original occasions. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-15-2003, 02:37 PM	#3
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Mrs. Dallas has the same complaint. They just come in and talk to her while she's in the shower or using the bathroom. It drives her up the wall. (They pretty much ignore me, though.)

08-15-2003, 02:37 PM	#4
vsp Syndrome of a Down Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: West Chester Posts: 1,367	I get annoyed when retail cashiers routinely ask me for my phone number, area code, ZIP code and other identifiers when I'm buying things. When you refuse, sometimes it really throws them for a loop. I was buying a $2.99 cable at Radio Shack about a year ago, and the cashier immediately asked for my ZIP code. I asked why it mattered, and he wouldn't continue the transaction! He just stood there, staring vacantly, as I asked why he NEEDED a personal identifier to sell someone a $3 audio cable who was paying cash. Finally, I just grinned, sat the cable down and walked out. "Where are you going?", he asked. "Target," I said. "If you consider demographics more important than customer service, you don't get sales." The look on his face was priceless.

08-15-2003, 05:17 PM	#8
Skunks I thought I changed this. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: western nowhere, ny Posts: 412	I've adopted the belief that privacy isn't about not being seen, it's about being left alone. To quote NationStates (did anybody else play that game?) "When you go outside, PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU." It's easy enough to ignore people snooping on my personal life if they don't comment on it, and, at some point, the stress of keeping them out will no longer be worth the unpleasantness of letting them in. Apathy reigns supreme. Not that I have much of a personal life, anyway.

08-15-2003, 08:39 PM	#10
JeepNGeorge Hand-of-Kindness Extender Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Where am I? Posts: 139	privacy went out of vouge several years ago. no cards Target. That's one of the worst offenders for consumer privacy. I hope you all don't use the little value customer cards either. I'll skip the extra 5% savings to not have them keep a record of what I buy.

08-15-2003, 08:57 PM	#11
Fluffy the Kat Provocateur Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Smarmy Southern Cal. (2651E. Wall St., #2) Signal Hill,CA 90755 Posts: 9	This Whole Privacy Thing Dear Persons- I sure appreciate your comments about there being no privacy anymore, and, MAN! UAV's!(?)! They're already over here in Signal Hill, Calif. 90075. Phooey on Target and those dumb bunnys, Can't use them, either! Ha! Your Pal, Fluffy __________________ Fluffy The Kat

08-15-2003, 09:05 PM	#12
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Enjoy the show! Just leave me the hell alone.

08-16-2003, 06:58 AM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Jeep, the grocery cards don't bother me. I'm hoping the asshats will pay attention and stock what I buy regularly. Of course I don't use the card when I buy jock itch spray. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-16-2003, 08:46 AM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not if you give them the wrong address. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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