obama nation

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by jinx

I want to move to a tropical location as soon as we can possibly afford it... for the weather and to get away from the rat race in general, not to avoid Obama's presidency, or McCain's either, had it gone that way.
Panama is topping the list right now...

This is actually a cool choice:

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

This is actually a cool choice:

Coxen Hole sounds good fo LJ.

[classicman]

I know I'm coming in here late, but ...

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

congratulations sir, i support you and the United States of America

I support the United States of America and then Mr. Obama - trivial perhaps, but country first

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

But the Republicans actually try and win wars these days. Can that be said of the Democrats in this time?

I don't think so - I think the D's are gonna walk away from a fight they think they cannot win. There thought process is apparently to use that money to help Americans here instead of spending $5000.00 a SECOND in Iraq. Whether that is prudent or not is still to be seen, but in the 3 minutes it took me to write this post the we spent almost $1,000,000 on the war. [food for thought]

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

You know what makes me irritated? All the people out there saying they are going to leave the United States now that Barack Obama is president.
Seriously? Then gtfo, now.

I agree wholeheartedly! I really haven't been around much, but still I haven't heard anyone saying they'd leave.

Originally Posted by Spectacle

That was the best campaign in the history of US politics.
He and his team deserve it.

Without question! A spectacular job by an amazing cast who literally ran what was a virtually flawless campaign. Heck, they even got Biden to STFU most of the time.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

I don't think so - I think the D's are gonna walk away from a fight they think they cannot win. There thought process is apparently to use that money to help Americans here instead of spending $5000.00 a SECOND in Iraq.

How do we win a war when it is only a civil war? How do we win a war when our leaders cannot even admit who the enemy is? When the strategic objective is not defined? When even the General (Petraeus) says we cannot win this war - that the war can only be won by the combatants? When two out of three potential antagonists want us out? And when basic military concepts make it obvious why we cannot win that war?

One in another discussion knows that shooting people will always win a war - the same strategy that created victory in Nam and justified spending money on "Mission Accomplished".

The questions left unanswered and ignored are massively long. Obama could answer one every day in office and still have a list half as long. Most all of these questions (such as those for Afghanistan) have no simple answer - could never be answered in a day. This new president has one of the most daunting tasks I have ever seen a new president confront - even back when I watched Kennedy defeat Nixon.


A justified war in Afghanistan continues to be lost because some idiots did not know basic military concepts AND therefore handed the country back to the Taliban. We have so screwed up the justified war that our allies are now leaving the battlefield. Soon to leave are Canada and Netherlands. Because our leaders were so dumb, a former American General commanding in Afghanistan says we now have about 10 more years to win that one if we decide to actually fight it.

Of course. He is only saying what military commanders knew even 2000 years before North America was discovered. Only one completely devoid of basic military knowledge would deny that. Why would some of the world's closest American allies finally give up in frustration? They are tired of virtually no American support and a war that cannot be won due to a misguided strategy imposed by America.

"Mission Accomplished" will never be an American victory. The question is how severe will be the loss. It appears that when we leave (now or in five years), the Civil War will only pick up in violence OR the various parties will finally do what America can never make possible - a peace table settlement. Obama's question is to spend those ten more years or seek a more reasonable settlement.

We have created a great instability where even Afghanistan and Pakistan are adversaries. This diplomatic problem is not for the feign of mind or for anyone whose solution is more guns.

Meanwhile, where is that question that only decent Americans ask? When do we go after bin Laden?

This new president has one of the longest list and some of the most challenging decisions I have ever seen waiting for an incoming president. And that includes every president even back when Kennedy defeated Nixon.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Mike Yon says...

[tw]

Finally someone is thinking rather than using guns and money grenades to declare victory. From the Washington Post of 11 Nov 2008:

Afghan War Strategy to Be More Regional
The incoming Obama administration plans to explore a more regional strategy to the war in Afghanistan -- including possible talks with Iran -- and looks favorably on the nascent dialogue between the Afghan government and "reconcilable" elements of the Taliban, according to Obama national security advisers.

Obama also intends to renew the U.S. commitment to the hunt for Osama bin Laden, ...

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Mike Yon says...

And of course we all know Yon rocks.