SCOTUS Grants Guantanamo Prisoners Habeas Corpus

[dar512]

While you may have doubts that Guantanamo prisoners have been waterboarded, there is no doubt that prisoners have been tortured.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...guantanamo.usa

I don't get the defense of this behavior. If it's legal to do against POWs how soon will we see it used against citizens? How soon will a citizen be declared a POW so that torture can be used?

One of the objectives of the law is to prohibit abuses of power. This is the sort of thing that should be specifically prohibited.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by dar512

While you may have doubts that Guantanamo prisoners have been waterboarded, there is no doubt that prisoners have been tortured.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...guantanamo.usa

I don't get the defense of this behavior. If it's legal to do against POWs how soon will we see it used against citizens? How soon will a citizen be declared a POW so that torture can be used?

One of the objectives of the law is to prohibit abuses of power. This is the sort of thing that should be specifically prohibited.

I am not defending it as much as I am getting those who believe it to prove their assertions in these discussions. Most of you can't. Did it happen, sure, most likely, but not at GITMO. Was it a standard practice, no I don't believe it. But hell, if I was locked up in GITMO for as long as some of those poor saps I would claim it too. What defense attorney would not tell their defendant in GITMO to make such a claim, I would.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am not defending it as much as I am getting those who believe it to prove their assertions in these discussions. Most of you can't. Did it happen, sure, most likely, but not at GITMO. Was it a standard practice, no I don't believe it. But hell, if I was locked up in GITMO for as long as some of those poor saps I would claim it too. What defense attorney would not tell their defendant in GITMO to make such a claim, I would.

Well it's going to be very hard to get evidence considering how tight they have Guantanamo locked up, isn't it.

In any case, the very fact that the current administration has policy that allows this kind of torture is reprehensible.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by dar512

Well it's going to be very hard to get evidence considering how tight they have Guantanamo locked up, isn't it.

And isn't that the point. You choose to believe everything you hear or read. I do not.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And isn't that the point. You choose to believe everything you hear or read. I do not.

No doubt all wisdom will die with you, Merc.

I don't believe everything I read, but I don't close my eyes either.

Originally Posted by dar512

In any case, the very fact that the current administration has policy that allows this kind of torture is reprehensible.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by dar512

No doubt all wisdom will die with you, Merc.

I don't believe everything I read, but I don't close my eyes either.

But you don't question anything that disparages the military, the Bush administration, the military, or people on the front line of fighting terrorism in the world, and that speaks volumes. I question everything. I doubt much, but I do not buy into the reports of the otherwise liberal press. You seem to me to suck it up lock, stock, and barrel in an effort to support your position. I refuse to accept "the first report".

[dar512]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But you don't question anything that disparages the military, the Bush administration, the military, or people on the front line of fighting terrorism in the world<snip>

Nonsense. I fully support the invasion of Afghanistan and the continued presence of the military there. I respect and admire the courage of the men in Iraq, but I do not support their presence there. The men are not at fault, the blame lies with the administration (which is not solely Bush).