ACORN

Undertoad · 10-23-2008, 10:01 AM

Yeah, but that's DC where there's a beltway culture of influence -- the 50 different Departments of State don't have much to be influenced by. They aren't elected. They're state-level bureaucrats... a shitty place to be. (I've been to their Harrisburg office, and it sucks.)

Furthermore, in PA it's the counties who decide which machine to have, so now you've got to influence 67 different county-level commissioners. It's a long road.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-23-2008, 10:36 AM

More like a string of dominos. A little pressure on one end can be felt all along the line. Especially when each domino is beholding, and trying to please, to the next one up the line.

When you're a state level bureaucrat, in a shitty place, contact from someone far up the line, can be flattering and spark hope of recognition/reward for favors. Very important in the un-elected world of political appointments.

The bottom line is, I don't trust the fuckers and want as much transparency as possible with a secret ballot.

btw, here's an article on how the votes were counted in 1936.
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/...0000000-votes/

tw · 10-23-2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Furthermore, in PA it's the counties who decide which machine to have, so now you've got to influence 67 different county-level commissioners.

There also is no requirement that anything electrical meet UL standards. But effective standards exist where no other alternative exists. Therefore every electrical appliance manufacturer goes the extra (and expensive) step to get that UL approval – which no one is required to have.

HAVA was supposed to do same for electronic voting machines. Just like UL, HAVA was supposed to be a useful standard to define a reliable voting machine. A question is how much did Diebold, et al pay to get HAVA killed.

The only reason to go to electronic voting machines is to make the election more secure and accurate. Instead we computerize something to make it less secure and less reliable? Yes, I too often see people computerize only because "computerizing must be good" rather than ask and define the strategic objective.

In asking about the strategic objective, let's say the fraudulent voters, identified by the election commission, appears to vote. Will the police be called to the poll station?

10-23-2008, 10:36 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	More like a string of dominos. A little pressure on one end can be felt all along the line. Especially when each domino is beholding, and trying to please, to the next one up the line. When you're a state level bureaucrat, in a shitty place, contact from someone far up the line, can be flattering and spark hope of recognition/reward for favors. Very important in the un-elected world of political appointments. The bottom line is, I don't trust the fuckers and want as much transparency as possible with a secret ballot. btw, here's an article on how the votes were counted in 1936. http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/...0000000-votes/ __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 10-23-2008 at 11:12 AM.

10-23-2008, 10:01 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Yeah, but that's DC where there's a beltway culture of influence -- the 50 different Departments of State don't have much to be influenced by. They aren't elected. They're state-level bureaucrats... a shitty place to be. (I've been to their Harrisburg office, and it sucks.) Furthermore, in PA it's the counties who decide which machine to have, so now you've got to influence 67 different county-level commissioners. It's a long road.

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