Finger pointing at its best ;)

[Shawnee123]

Here's some fact checkin':

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ry/fact-check/

[dar512]

Originally Posted by classicman

I'm not recycling shit. I am trying to make a decision. Everything here is so slanted toward one side, its sickening. It seems to me that many of you all are simply voting against Bush as much as for Obama. Sounds to me like you are the one recycling a party line.

Lets turn your question back on you, since your mind is made up - YOU tell me why Obama is the better man. Better yet - put the two side by side and list all their accomplishments, stances, associations and so on...

You are correct in that at least part of my hesitation to vote for McCain comes from the fact the he's of the same party as Bush.

He uses the term maverick a lot in order to distance himself from Bush, but I haven't heard anything from him that gives me a warm fuzzy that he really is substantively different.

I have three huge issues with the current administration.
1) We have focused military attention on Iraq, which should never have been done. If we hadn't been distracted by Iraq, I bet we'd have Osama by now.
2) Attempts to grow the influence of the administrative branch of the government. See Palin's verbiage from the VP debate on the importance of the VP role.
3) The de facto reduction in the rights of citizens. I don't want the government to have the right to spy on me without severe limitations in place.

I haven't heard anything from the Rs to make me believe that these things would change under McCain. In fact I was surprised that Palin was so bold in her discussion of enlarging the role of the VP.

So I started out leaning Dem.

Then came the olympics where the Obama ads talked about building a hopeful future and the McCain ads talked about how bad Obama is. This had a very negative influence on me against McCain. I may be naive, but I believe in how these things should be done. And mud-slinging pisses me off.

Not long after that was the Obama_as_celebrity ad -- more fuel on the fire.

This caused me to take a closer look at Obama. I like the fact that he's got a poly-sci degree. I like the fact that he is promoting a positive position as opposed to fear.

I like that he intends to get us out of Iraq as soon as possible.

I like the fact that he's for greater oversight of the finance sector. I don't believe that large corporations act in the best interest of the public and that some independent oversight is needed.

I think that too many breaks have been given to the wealthy and the large corporations and I like that Obama is at least talking a good game in this area.

I'm concerned about both party's plans for health care, so I think that's a wash.

I don't think McCain is the debbil, but I think we need more of a change than his cards are showing.

I don't think Obama is a saint, but I see him as the lesser of two evils.

Holy shit, this is tw length. But you did ask.

[Shawnee123]

Ahem, dar...good post but your freudian slip is showing.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Ahem, dar...good post but your freudian slip is showing.

It's a long post. Give me a hint.

[glatt]

Osama, not Obama

[dar512]

Thank you.

Fixed.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by glatt

Osama, not Obama

lol - ya gotta admit that was pretty funny.

[classicman]

Put the two side by side and list all their accomplishments, stances, associations and so on...

Originally Posted by Shawnee123
He's not McCain.
He isn't Bush's lap dog.
He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms
Obama is smart.
Obama is fresh.
Obama has served with class and dignity.
Obama is not in the pocket of big oil.

Originally Posted by dar512

You are correct in that at least part of my hesitation to vote for McCain comes from the fact the he's of the same party as Bush.

I started out leaning Dem.

I like the fact that he's got a poly-sci degree.
he is promoting a positive position.
he intends to get us out of Iraq as soon as possible.
he's for greater oversight of the finance sector.

[Shawnee123]

Sigh...ok:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123
He's not McCain. McCain IS McCain
He isn't Bush's lap dog. McCain is Bush's lap dog
He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms McCain doesn't actually gives a crap about the middle class, just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms
Obama is smart. McCain isn't quite as smart
Obama is fresh. McCain is not fresh
Obama has served with class and dignity. McCain did serve our country with class and dignity...his campaign...not so much
Obama is not in the pocket of big oil. The entire Bushapalooza party is in the pocket of big oil

Better?

[classicman]

No not at all - I am trying to determine why to vote FOR one candidate vs the other - As in their positive attributes - experience, accomplishments and so on.

I'm very specifically NOT interested in that.

[dar512]

Originally Posted by classicman

Put the two side by side and list all their accomplishments, stances, associations and so on...

You missed the thing about negative ads. That was a big deal for me.

[classicman]

No dar I got that - and it registered - Its just not what I'm looking for here - I want their abilities, what they've done, just the positives about them. I'm gonna do a negative thing separately - that'll probably be a much longer list.

[Cicero]

I am looking down my nose and pointing my finger at you!!!That's the best!!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123
He's not McCain.
He isn't Bush's lap dog.
He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms
Obama is smart.
Obama is fresh.
Obama has served with class and dignity.
Obama is not in the pocket of big oil.
Obama is running a positive campaign

Originally Posted by dar512 View Post
I like the fact that he's got a poly-sci degree.
he is promoting a positive position.
he intends to get us out of Iraq as soon as possible.
he's for greater oversight of the finance sector.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by dar512

You are correct in that at least part of my hesitation to vote for McCain comes from the fact the he's of the same party as Bush.

He uses the term maverick a lot in order to distance himself from Bush, but I haven't heard anything from him that gives me a warm fuzzy that he really is substantively different.

I have three huge issues with the current administration.
1) We have focused military attention on Iraq, which should never have been done. If we hadn't been distracted by Iraq, I bet we'd have Osama by now.
2) Attempts to grow the influence of the administrative branch of the government. See Palin's verbiage from the VP debate on the importance of the VP role.
3) The de facto reduction in the rights of citizens. I don't want the government to have the right to spy on me without severe limitations in place.

I haven't heard anything from the Rs to make me believe that these things would change under McCain. In fact I was surprised that Palin was so bold in her discussion of enlarging the role of the VP.

So I started out leaning Dem.

Then came the olympics where the Obama ads talked about building a hopeful future and the McCain ads talked about how bad Obama is. This had a very negative influence on me against McCain. I may be naive, but I believe in how these things should be done. And mud-slinging pisses me off.

Not long after that was the Obama_as_celebrity ad -- more fuel on the fire.

This caused me to take a closer look at Obama. I like the fact that he's got a poly-sci degree. I like the fact that he is promoting a positive position as opposed to fear.

I like that he intends to get us out of Iraq as soon as possible.

I like the fact that he's for greater oversight of the finance sector. I don't believe that large corporations act in the best interest of the public and that some independent oversight is needed.

I think that too many breaks have been given to the wealthy and the large corporations and I like that Obama is at least talking a good game in this area.

I'm concerned about both party's plans for health care, so I think that's a wash.

I don't think McCain is the debbil, but I think we need more of a change than his cards are showing.

I don't think Obama is a saint, but I see him as the lesser of two evils.

Holy shit, this is tw length. But you did ask.

Good post dar!