Stealing - Page 4

Pie · 10-06-2008, 12:43 PM

Surveillance without cause is a step towards 1984. Oh, and it's bad for morale.

classicman · 10-06-2008, 12:46 PM

Its for their own protection. If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the issue? What if they got robbed? It'd be nice to have video of it.

Pie · 10-06-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the issue?

classicman · 10-06-2008, 01:14 PM

??? I believe there were concerns of other employees potentially stealing as well. Why not have a security system just like convenience stores, department stores, dollar stores, banks and ......???

I must be really dense here Pie - Whats your point?

Pie · 10-06-2008, 01:18 PM

Nevermind, classic. I should remember never to poke the conservatives.

Sundae · 10-06-2008, 01:30 PM

It's funny, because we're seen as far to the left of America, but I see nothing wrong with having cctv in a store where one of the employees is suspecting of stealing.

Surely it would be more of a travesty if all the employees came under suspicion because of the actions of one?

classicman · 10-06-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

but I see nothing wrong with having cctv in a store where one of the employees is suspecting of stealing.

Good point SG - upon that we agree.

Pie - I'm a moderate, thanks and honestly I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Whats the downside to monitoring your own business?

Pie · 10-06-2008, 01:51 PM

Apparently, Pie == Pollyanna, since I would like to live in a world with as little surveillance as possible.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

glatt · 10-06-2008, 01:58 PM

Oh, come on Pie. Don't give up that quickly!

The default should be no surveillance cameras unless there is a reason. Duck's reason for a camera just quit. So a camera isn't needed.

Does she have a right to put a camera in her private business? Yes. Of course. But it will be bad for morale. A good boss takes things like morale into consideration when making decisions. Her remaining employees are honest. Why should she videotape them? Would you, classicman, like it if your boss pointed a video camera at your desk to videotape you while you work? I can't answer that for you, but I can say that I would hate it if my boss did that to me. I'd probably start looking for another job.

jinx · 10-06-2008, 02:05 PM

I don't think she should video tape her employees, but taping her cash register makes tons of sense.

Really though, noone ever watches the tapes anyway,unless there's a reason to. Like the situation she just went thru. The after-the-fact taping didn't help at all did it?

classicman · 10-06-2008, 02:10 PM

I would think that a business where virtually, if not all of the employees are women would feel safer knowing there is a camera there as a deterrent to crime.

glatt · 10-06-2008, 02:15 PM

I thought this thread was about embezzling money, not the rash of gang rapes in Australian beauty salons. But if this is a high crime area, then pointing a camera at the door is appropriate.

classicman · 10-06-2008, 02:18 PM

I think the surveillance system can have many beneficial outcomes and be used to protect both the employer AND the employees. BTW wasn't there a conversation with a nail woman who was implicating another employee at some point? maybe I misread that.

Pie · 10-06-2008, 03:12 PM

The camera was instituted to catch a thief in the act. To pretend that it is now for the other employees' safety is disingenuous, at best.

Shawnee123 · 10-06-2008, 03:18 PM

Fear of being caught on tape is rarely a deterrent to Australian Beauty Salon Gang Rapists. There've been studies.

10-06-2008, 12:43 PM	#46
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Surveillance without cause is a step towards 1984. Oh, and it's bad for morale. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 12:46 PM	#47
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Its for their own protection. If you aren't doing anything wrong whats the issue? What if they got robbed? It'd be nice to have video of it. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 01:14 PM	#49
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	??? I believe there were concerns of other employees potentially stealing as well. Why not have a security system just like convenience stores, department stores, dollar stores, banks and ......??? I must be really dense here Pie - Whats your point? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 01:18 PM	#50
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Nevermind, classic. I should remember never to poke the conservatives. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 01:30 PM	#51
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	It's funny, because we're seen as far to the left of America, but I see nothing wrong with having cctv in a store where one of the employees is suspecting of stealing. Surely it would be more of a travesty if all the employees came under suspicion because of the actions of one? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-06-2008, 01:51 PM	#53
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Apparently, Pie == Pollyanna, since I would like to live in a world with as little surveillance as possible. I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 01:58 PM	#54
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Oh, come on Pie. Don't give up that quickly! The default should be no surveillance cameras unless there is a reason. Duck's reason for a camera just quit. So a camera isn't needed. Does she have a right to put a camera in her private business? Yes. Of course. But it will be bad for morale. A good boss takes things like morale into consideration when making decisions. Her remaining employees are honest. Why should she videotape them? Would you, classicman, like it if your boss pointed a video camera at your desk to videotape you while you work? I can't answer that for you, but I can say that I would hate it if my boss did that to me. I'd probably start looking for another job.

10-06-2008, 02:05 PM	#55
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I don't think she should video tape her employees, but taping her cash register makes tons of sense. Really though, noone ever watches the tapes anyway,unless there's a reason to. Like the situation she just went thru. The after-the-fact taping didn't help at all did it? __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

10-06-2008, 02:10 PM	#56
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I would think that a business where virtually, if not all of the employees are women would feel safer knowing there is a camera there as a deterrent to crime. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 02:15 PM	#57
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I thought this thread was about embezzling money, not the rash of gang rapes in Australian beauty salons. But if this is a high crime area, then pointing a camera at the door is appropriate.

10-06-2008, 02:18 PM	#58
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think the surveillance system can have many beneficial outcomes and be used to protect both the employer AND the employees. BTW wasn't there a conversation with a nail woman who was implicating another employee at some point? maybe I misread that. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-06-2008, 03:12 PM	#59
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	The camera was instituted to catch a thief in the act. To pretend that it is now for the other employees' safety is disingenuous, at best. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

10-06-2008, 03:18 PM	#60
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Fear of being caught on tape is rarely a deterrent to Australian Beauty Salon Gang Rapists. There've been studies. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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