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Old 09-21-2008, 02:57 AM   #11
Urbane Guerrilla
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Radar's elaborate disguises of his tyrannical nature behind a cloak of social acceptability and moral pretense fool no one, and show the dimness of his own bulb.

Paul, you continue in your daily abdication of any moral standing. Quit digging yourself deeper before the hole caves in on your head.

You have long ceased to argue the actual merits of your own case, and absurdly enough concentrate on attacking a homemade caricature of what you would like my argument to really be, or which you think it is. Strawman tactics when you try them may impress you. Why do you think they'd impress me?

Your situation, quite in keeping with the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, is in essence that you set some consideration over the worth of human liberty. Yet as a libertarian, you need to understand that without liberty, life just ain't worth living, and that this is true not merely for Americans, but for all of humanity. This idea you will note does not stop at America's borders. Humanity's troubles come from the places that are unfree -- as even you do not dispute. When unfree places are blessed with freedom, wealth and contentment ensue, because the greatest human obstacles to wealth are swept aside. Hence, liberty is the most important thing. I recognize this. I want to get it for the peoples who don't have it, and I see no moral tinge supplied by who does the getting. Fighting for it brings two things: death for the slavemongers, and a consequent inability to keep anyone enslaved. You are half right: the people who get killed don't get democracy forced on them. Instead, it forces them out of the oppression game, and permanently. Those who survive are the ones that get the democracy, and it isn't forced. It is what they want, and if they get it, we get much less in the way of trouble.

Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as well as Mugabe etcetera all thought something else should be set above human liberty, and all acted on this belief. You too set something above obliterating tyranny (clear enough from your vehement opposition to it) and above human liberty, which is something I do not do. You, my friend, are keeping some very unsavory philosophical company. It's a symptom of a narcissistically disordered personality -- examine Mao in particular for pathological narcissism, and the light may dawn. Well, it'll dawn for a man capable of thinking rationally for real, and not just simulating the ability.

The argument against the idea that America practices international tyranny is easily and convincingly made to sane readers: the United States Navy is a huge, bluewater operation beside which all other navies on the planet look more like coast guards, and often handle only a coastguard mission. The interesting point is that no one, not even the well liberated and rather prickly and quite wealthy English-speaking nations, is trying in the least to build a navy to fight ours, and the US Navy can readly put ordnance on target in nearly every nation on the globe. Not even China, on which some cast a suspicious eye, is making anything visible as an effort at this. Japan is abundantly wealthy and could raise up a two-ocean (Pacific, Indian, Persian Gulf) navy that could eclipse the Imperial Japanese Navy for global power. They could use a navy like that themselves to act in their national interest, but clearly conceive that they don't need to.

No one not a self-declared enemy is worried about what we will do with our Navy, and they are not worried about what we will do with our Army either. Something heard often, and in all kinds of odd places in trouble spots is, "When will the Americans come and help?" Tyranny, my bilobate ass, Paul. Your entire argument has just collapsed, falsified.

The entire globe trusts us to shoot only at the bad actors or they would be arming against us. They aren't.

Time for you to stop desiring the United States to be tyrannous; what happens to Paul Ireland's corporeal form should your manifest desire come true? I figure it'd be a wall and a blindfold. This might be understandable after somebody gets enough of a bellyful of your Michael Newdow fashion of thought and interaction with mankind, but still it would amount to just a bit much, no?

Your incapacity for liberationism tells me that on some deep level, you just plain don't get humanity. Not like I do. You don't have, for you flatly refuse it, the clue that humans want their freedom, and can do things with it that anything less cannot allow, and never does.
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