Obama on O'Reilly - Page 2

lookout123 · 09-08-2008, 02:34 PM

build? you could spend four years tearing washington down without building a single new thing and still not be any worse for wear.

I have to admit one of the things i like about the McCain/Palin ticket is that it is an obvious one term wonder. McCain will be too old to run again and Palin doesn't ahve a shot in hell of winning on her own. They could go in and push on the reform/rebuild ideas without worrying about keeping the pwer brokers in love with them.

of course, I also dreamed of a McCain/Thompson ticket for the same reason.

Happy Monkey · 09-08-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

All the churchies in my homeschooling groups seem to approve of her. I'm not sure why exactly, no one has really said...

She's an anti-abortion creationist, perhaps? Not knowing anything about them other than homeschooling and churchies...

jinx · 09-08-2008, 08:40 PM

Could be that. Could just be that the Dems are anti-choice when it comes to schooling. Guess it depends on which single issue you choose to focus on, as irrelevant as it may be in the next 4 year....

TheMercenary · 09-08-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Of course not, she put the kibosh on the Bridge to Nowhere. Well, she didn't really, but she likes to pretend she did.

Well like any good elected official for a state, one who was elected by popular vote, she was doing what she said she would, that is get the most she can from the Feds as she could. It was only AFTER the Feds said they were not going to give her the earmark that she changed her tune and said fine, if you ain't paying for it, then we certainly cannot afford it on our own. So she cancelled the project. Good on her. She did what was correct for her tax payers. The Fed backed out, so she did too. Show me a gov of any state that has not done that? Hey, I know! Let's go back and look at the last gov who became president and pick apart his earmarks and who he was porking. I wonder if any of them were wearing a blue dress?

Or we could just continue to attack Palin's family. Damm hussy, who would have 5 kids and run for office? She has priority problems, doesn't she?

Sort of like Nancy Pelosi, she has 5 kids too, shameless slut.

Shawnee123 · 09-09-2008, 09:21 AM

Huh? (looks at self and tries to remember where I attacked Ms Morality's family.)

Happy Monkey · 09-09-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The Fed backed out, so she did too.

So "Thanks but no thanks" is a lie. It was "Please please please, OK never mind."

Shawnee123 · 09-09-2008, 12:24 PM

Flip-flopping is fine if sanctioned by TheMerc.

lookout123 · 09-09-2008, 12:26 PM

damn politicians. now they are going to lie about past events to make them seem more decisive and desireable to their base?!? say it isn't so.

Undertoad · 09-09-2008, 07:04 PM

I have now investigated the thing. I bring you, my gentlereaders, the Truth. A Truth that even the nation's top newspapers have not divined. And I shall tell it in a pompous style, even though it is merely my best guess.

You see, it wasn't really about the Ketchikan "Bridge to Nowhere" bridge. It was actually about an entirely different bridge, still waiting to be built, called the Knik Arm.

This bridge had more political support. It had been planned since the 50s, and would expand the commute radius of the city of Anchorage.

Sarah Palin initially supported all projects because it would get them the money for the Knik Arm bridge. That's the one she really wanted. And the reason we know this is simple, once you turn the problem on its edge. Because the "Bridge to Nowhere" would support 50 voters, while the Knik Arm would support half the Alaskan population.

In this Google Maps capture I have added the proposed Knik Arm bridge in bright unmistakable red. You can see what it could do for them: growth up the other side of the bay.

Notice too that Palin's own homestead, Wasilla, stood to gain.

Knik Arm bridge advocacy website

So the people of Alaska really want the one bridge, fought for as much funding as possible and then - once she won the Governor's office and the funding was secured, she said - oops, no money left for Ketchikan, too bad so sad. She made early statements in favor of Ketchikan, but those were a signal to her voters that Knik Arm would be fought for. Like asking for $20 when you know you definitely want $10.

Now you could say, and some have said, that if you really wanted $10 you should have given back the other $10, if you actually got $20. She kept the $20 and put it into the projects she wanted, including Knik Arm.

And that's how to win the hearts of Alaskan voters... who, at the end of this drama, applauded deeply and awarded her an 86% approval rating.

classicman · 09-09-2008, 10:23 PM

:standing ovation:

footfootfoot · 09-10-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Who exactly is that? I haven't heard a single R type show displeasure at the VP choice. If anything, they're more energized for McCain than before.

Well, I'm a republican and I think she's full of shit, but then she is a politician, so she's as full of shit as the rest of them.

But seriously, when we were at the Cape we had cocktails with a good old local boy who had been fishing the Cape for 50 something years and believed the seals were a nuisance which should be eradicated (only mentioned to give you an idea of how strongly he felt his convictions, not an attack on REpublicans as seal haters in general) Despite his taciturn nature he did manage to say he'd rather shoot himself in the head than vote for McCain/Palin.

So now you've heard of one.

lookout123 · 09-10-2008, 10:25 AM

i've heard a lot of republicans say they'd vote for satan before they'd vote for McCain, but I don't know that Palin is really the reason for that. I'd point towards a couple decades of reaching across the aisle and not playing the intraparty games for that part. and oh yeah, Rush spent years trashing the guy.

Shawnee123 · 09-10-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I have now investigated the thing. I bring you, my gentlereaders, the Truth. A Truth that even the nation's top newspapers have not divined. And I shall tell it in a pompous style, even though it is merely my best guess.

So the people of Alaska really want the one bridge, fought for as much funding as possible and then - once she won the Governor's office and the funding was secured, she said - oops, no money left for Ketchikan, too bad so sad. She made early statements in favor of Ketchikan, but those were a signal to her voters that Knik Arm would be fought for. Like asking for $20 when you know you definitely want $10.

Now you could say, and some have said, that if you really wanted $10 you should have given back the other $10, if you actually got $20. She kept the $20 and put it into the projects she wanted, including Knik Arm.

And that's how to win the hearts of Alaskan voters... who, at the end of this drama, applauded deeply and awarded her an 86% approval rating.

So perhaps she should stop saying in every speech that she said "thanks but no thanks" to congress for the bridge to nowhere, when the truth is much more complex.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...litics_4408870

Yep, she's a politician...as sneaky as the rest of them and as much as they need to be. It's this whole "look how damn virtuous she is" crap that really turns my stomach.

--snipping took place in the making of this reply

Pico and ME · 09-10-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

i've heard a lot of republicans say they'd vote for satan before they'd vote for McCain, but I don't know that Palin is really the reason for that. I'd point towards a couple decades of reaching across the aisle and not playing the intraparty games for that part. and oh yeah, Rush spent years trashing the guy.

During the primaries, I heard them say the would vote for Hillary before they would vote for McCain.

lookout123 · 09-10-2008, 12:27 PM

I wouldn't take that too literally. A couple things were at play there. 1) For some republicans supporting a Clinton would be the ultimate sign of displeasure.

2) There was thought given to the idea that having Hillary in the WH and a dem congress would motivate the conservative base to get off their collective butts and really work hard for a Rep revival in 2 years followed by a Real republican in the white house in four.

There was a lot of "McCain's no different than Obama or Clinton going on at that time".

09-08-2008, 02:34 PM	#16
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	build? you could spend four years tearing washington down without building a single new thing and still not be any worse for wear. I have to admit one of the things i like about the McCain/Palin ticket is that it is an obvious one term wonder. McCain will be too old to run again and Palin doesn't ahve a shot in hell of winning on her own. They could go in and push on the reform/rebuild ideas without worrying about keeping the pwer brokers in love with them. of course, I also dreamed of a McCain/Thompson ticket for the same reason. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-08-2008, 08:40 PM	#18
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Could be that. Could just be that the Dems are anti-choice when it comes to schooling. Guess it depends on which single issue you choose to focus on, as irrelevant as it may be in the next 4 year.... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

09-09-2008, 09:21 AM	#20
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Huh? (looks at self and tries to remember where I attacked Ms Morality's family.) __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-09-2008, 12:24 PM	#22
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Flip-flopping is fine if sanctioned by TheMerc. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

09-09-2008, 12:26 PM	#23
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	damn politicians. now they are going to lie about past events to make them seem more decisive and desireable to their base?!? say it isn't so. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-09-2008, 07:04 PM	#24
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I have now investigated the thing. I bring you, my gentlereaders, the Truth. A Truth that even the nation's top newspapers have not divined. And I shall tell it in a pompous style, even though it is merely my best guess. You see, it wasn't really about the Ketchikan "Bridge to Nowhere" bridge. It was actually about an entirely different bridge, still waiting to be built, called the Knik Arm. This bridge had more political support. It had been planned since the 50s, and would expand the commute radius of the city of Anchorage. Sarah Palin initially supported all projects because it would get them the money for the Knik Arm bridge. That's the one she really wanted. And the reason we know this is simple, once you turn the problem on its edge. Because the "Bridge to Nowhere" would support 50 voters, while the Knik Arm would support half the Alaskan population. In this Google Maps capture I have added the proposed Knik Arm bridge in bright unmistakable red. You can see what it could do for them: growth up the other side of the bay. Notice too that Palin's own homestead, Wasilla, stood to gain. Knik Arm bridge advocacy website So the people of Alaska really want the one bridge, fought for as much funding as possible and then - once she won the Governor's office and the funding was secured, she said - oops, no money left for Ketchikan, too bad so sad. She made early statements in favor of Ketchikan, but those were a signal to her voters that Knik Arm would be fought for. Like asking for $20 when you know you definitely want $10. Now you could say, and some have said, that if you really wanted $10 you should have given back the other $10, if you actually got $20. She kept the $20 and put it into the projects she wanted, including Knik Arm. And that's how to win the hearts of Alaskan voters... who, at the end of this drama, applauded deeply and awarded her an 86% approval rating.

09-09-2008, 10:23 PM	#25
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	:standing ovation: __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

09-10-2008, 10:25 AM	#27
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i've heard a lot of republicans say they'd vote for satan before they'd vote for McCain, but I don't know that Palin is really the reason for that. I'd point towards a couple decades of reaching across the aisle and not playing the intraparty games for that part. and oh yeah, Rush spent years trashing the guy. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

09-10-2008, 12:27 PM	#30
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I wouldn't take that too literally. A couple things were at play there. 1) For some republicans supporting a Clinton would be the ultimate sign of displeasure. 2) There was thought given to the idea that having Hillary in the WH and a dem congress would motivate the conservative base to get off their collective butts and really work hard for a Rep revival in 2 years followed by a Real republican in the white house in four. There was a lot of "McCain's no different than Obama or Clinton going on at that time". __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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