Iraq is nearly over. BTW we won.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

[And UT, don't imitate tw's needlessly eccentric spelling of dejà vu -- he can plead all the ignorance and incapacity he needs to, but the rest of us don't have those excuses.]

Well technically, it's déjà vu. Y'know, if we're being picky. Did you get a handle on Philippines yet?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Well technically, it's déjà vu. Y'know, if we're being picky.

Technically we also won in Nam because body counts also proved we were winning. No poltiical settlement in Nam or Iraq? Deja Vue. We just ignore basic military poltical principles to declare victory. Clearly a light at the end of the tunnel. UT tells us it is so.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by tw

Technically we also won in Nam because body counts also proved we were winning. No poltiical settlement in Nam or Iraq? Deja Vue. We just ignore basic military poltical principles to declare victory. Clearly a light at the end of the tunnel. UT tells us it is so.

Actually, it's the end of the Bush nightmare, so suddenly without any change in circumstances, they magically want to declare victory...and what an empty victory it is.

UG is always the apologist for tyrrany .... as long as it's America who is the tyrant.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Radar

Actually, it's the end of the Bush nightmare, so suddenly without any change in circumstances, they magically want to declare victory...and what an empty victory it is.

Nixon also knew Nam was unwinnable when he entered office. His only objective - not lose that war under his watch. Spin included "peace with honor". So Nixon sacrificed precious treasures for his greater glory. Like Iraq, Nam was a civil war made more complex by American presence. As in "Mission Accomplished"", the president said anything to avoid that reality. Where have the reasons for civil war been eliminated in "Mission Accomplished"?

George Jr got exactly what he wanted - a war that would not end on his watch. We are now committed to "Mission Accomplished" until 2011 when Iraqis kick us out. We learn after that whether a strategic objective was achieved - and whose strategic objective gets achieved.

As in Nam, body counts don’t measure results or define a strategic objective. Known to those who learned the lessons of Nam.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Radar

UG is always the apologist for tyrrany [sic].... as long as it's America who is the tyrant.

This kind of thinking keeps you in a condition of complete noncomprehension of American history, radar, particularly the history of the last hundred years. Everyone but you knows better, and a good many of the ones who do are now glaring at you. Your desire that we be the tyrant -- howsomever -- makes you one very stupid leftist, committed forever to the wrong. Geez, are you ever easy to sucker. You cannot be right and be the way you are, radar. Wise up -- what America does is shoot at tyrants, which you will never acknowledge, from remarkably silly motivations. You are a slave to many stupid emotional desires, and you really need a liberation which you aren't able to comprehend, owing to your resolute purblindness -- you'd rather be the schmuck you're used to being than a rational thinker about policy. Ranting emotionalism and telling me how awful I am for pointing out where your ideas aren't cutting it do not amount to reinforcing your argument. Instead, you lose it utterly.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Well technically, it's déjà vu. Y'know, if we're being picky. Did you get a handle on Philippines yet?

Why, déjà. Gee, it would have been meilleur vu in a font color other than white. :p