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View Poll Results: Who is to blame for recent gas price increases?
Market speculators 14 40.00%
Oil companies 13 37.14%
Oil producing countries 8 22.86%
China 10 28.57%
US Automakers 9 25.71%
Lack of refining capacity 10 28.57%
US government/lawmakers 11 31.43%
The Federal Reserve 7 20.00%
Dark Markets 4 11.43%
TheMercenary 7 20.00%
US Consumers 12 34.29%
Other 13 37.14%
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:08 PM   #1
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Is there someone here defending GM products?
Sycamore who repeatedly praised GM products including his 2008 Cobalt. Numbers say about 25% of us think GM products are great.

And then the question here - why are energy prices so high? As lookout123 notes, a pickup owner will spend $100 on every tank just to appease his ego AND deny that GM products suck.

You may know that GM is the heartattack of America. But do you know why? And why do one in four Americans still disagree with you - including Sycamore?

Why do one in four Americans support the mental midget president AND praise GM products? Why must gasoline prices go higher? Same answer.
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Old 06-26-2008, 07:17 PM   #2
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Eventually Toyota et al will pioneer the pickup that GM should have done 10 years ago.
They've probably already done the work that is necessary for it, but they are smart enough to only bring an auto to market when the consumer is ready to buy enough units of the product to achieve profitability.

If you feel that is stupid or unamerican more power to you. you're just one man who is only responsible for your own purchases. until more people agree with you that it is all about the technology, car companies will continue cranking out cars they think people will buy. That usually starts with outward appearance as a top priority. "what do engineers think of my car?" falls pretty low on the list.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:40 PM   #3
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They've probably already done the work that is necessary for it, but they are smart enough to only bring an auto to market when the consumer is ready to buy enough units of the product to achieve profitability.

If you feel that is stupid or unamerican more power to you. you're just one man who is only responsible for your own purchases. until more people agree with you that it is all about the technology, car companies will continue cranking out cars they think people will buy. That usually starts with outward appearance as a top priority. "what do engineers think of my car?" falls pretty low on the list.
Toyota to suspend production of Tundra pickup in some plants and cancel production of Tundra in one plant, which will then produce the Prius.

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Old 07-11-2008, 04:52 PM   #4
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Toyota to suspend production of Tundra pickup in some plants and cancel production of Tundra in one plant, which will then produce the Prius.

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Looks like damn good marketing to me. Toyota was well accepted in the cities but had a hard time cracking the more rugged rural markets in the US. They had tried several times with trucks and SUV's only to be rebuffed. Then they decided to put the factories for their new larger more powerful trucks in the US. In rural, rugged parts of the US where men are men, so are the women, and the sheep run scared. Ford and Chevy country to be more precise. What do you know? After a little while Toyota trucks gained some credibility as a viable work truck for the tough guys. People who work in the factories realize they aren't "jap crap" and they buy them. Then their friends do. And their wives liked the SUVs and cars. Success. Toyota overtakes GM for number of units sold and still remains profitable.

In other parts of the country smaller more gas efficient cars are doing quite well. Not a lot is spent on marketing them but word of mouth works wonders. Scion and the Prius get a foothold. What's this? A fuel crisis? Who could have seen that coming? There is no part of the US that a toyota seems out of place now. Markets that were cracked by big tough trucks now will be more open to smaller, more efficient vehicles. Sounds pretty smart to me.
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Old 06-26-2008, 08:59 PM   #5
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Sycamore who repeatedly praised GM products including his 2008 Cobalt. Numbers say about 25% of us think GM products are great.
Therefore 3 out of four agree - now stop it.


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...a pickup owner will spend $100 on every tank just to appease his ego AND deny that GM products suck.
One has nothing to do with the other.

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You may know that GM is the heartattack of America. But do you know why? And why do one in four Americans still disagree with you - including Sycamore?
3 out of four agree with me.

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Why do one in four Americans support the mental midget president AND praise GM products?
Why do 3 out of four disagree with the president and dislike GM products?

Why are you still :
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