MY HS Principle Plagiarizes!!!

[lookout123]

you've got to be the only person i've ever met who is proud of naperville. not that naperville is all bad, it just seems you're really proud of the joint.

[Cicero]

I'm sorry fresh, I don't see 160K as much anymore. I've lived in small town Illinois (several), and I do know that news coming out of the high schools is big news there. The quarterbacks of the High School teams are also big news, as they are posted upon entering and leaving the towns. I also visited champaign during high school choir and soccer championships. We called it "cham-plain". lol sorry...

Chicago I'm afraid, cannot really be likened to the rest of Illinois in sophistication and in numbers. Which is why my friends from that state left places like that and went on in to Chicago and St. Louis after leaving High School or the University.

I've lived in small and large places fresh, and I will tell you, that small town is also an attitude that people carry, outside of the qualifiers and suspicious lack of real numbers that you also cited.

Chicago: somewhere around 2,000,000.
Aurora: somewhere around 170,000
Naperville: somewhere around 140,000 (according to city data)

Being the 3rd largest in a state of 12 mil. does not make you large. It also depends on how the population is dispersed.

But again, I thought Colorado Springs was a small town (to medium)when I lived there, and it was at 350 or 400,000.

Sorry to say it's a small town. But it's a small town. It's not exactly "city" material for those of us who have lived outside of the townships, and are in, or have lived in large cities in the united states and throughout the world. You might be surprised how small it is when you go elsewhere.

[Aliantha]

Give the guy a break ffs. I'm pretty sure he was just pointing out the town doesn't have a population of 1000 or so.

Now if I said the place I'm moving to is a small town it'd be pretty close to correct. There's only 650 people living there. In fact, it's no longer considered a township in its own right. It's classed as a suburb of the Gold Coast. It's not like the goldie though. That's almost a metropolis. Jacobs Well is definitely a small town.

So, 160,000 seems like a pretty large town to me.

[Cicero]

Yes you would be right. That is small. lol!

I already pointed out at the tail-end of my post that it is perspectivist.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Don't placate him, he's a country bumpkin.

[Shawnee123]

According to this, it's 4th largest. It is also considered a 'burb of Chicago which to me makes it a 'burb of Chicago...not a city. Anyhoo, this response is not plagiarized.

Largest cities
Chicago is the largest city in the state and the third most populous city in the United States. The US Bureau of the Census currently lists six other cities with populations of over 100,000 within Illinois. Based upon the Bureau's official 2005 scientific estimates,[61] they are: Aurora, a Chicago outlier which at 175,952 has recently (2005) eclipsed Rockford for the title of "Second City" of Illinois. However, at 152,916, Rockford is not only the number three city, but also remains the largest city in the state not located within the Chicago metropolitan area. Naperville, another suburb located west of Chicago, is the fourth largest city in the state, with a population of 141,579. Joliet, a city southwest of Chicago, is fifth with 136,208. Springfield, the state capital of Illinois, comes in sixth with 115,668. The final city in the 100,000 club is Peoria, which decades ago was the second largest city in the state; its 2005 population was 112,685

-wikipedia

[Spectacle]

I saw the article on this and other follow up articles.
I think the point is how is the school district there supposed to uphold its regulations and principles for its students. The student could say "my principal plagiarizes, why are you punishing me for this?" It is hypocrisy for a school system that seems to pledge academic integrity to let a high standing official not be condoned. I assume there is very harsh punishments for students who plagiarize. And it sounded like the superintendent was OK with the apology, and wanted the whole thing to blow over. No, sorry, it's not that easy. The students, the parents, and the whole community I assume would lose trust in the public education process. I know I would.

Plagiarizing is a form of cheating. What kind of message is that sending to the students? And don't compensate with "oh but everyone cheats in the real world" because this is the educational process. It's one of the prime places kids learn their morals and values; through schooling.

The article said he apologized and made a mistake. Yeah, you did, a pretty huge one that threatens the integrity of the whole school district in your area, so let's hurry up and fire your ass because of it.

A Chicago Tribune Online Blog by Eric Zorn. http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news...?cid=116565692

Plagiarism can't be undone with excuses.

Caudill's rococo narrative of honorable intentions repeatedly gone awry is a novel variation on "I relied on my notes, which I didn't remember were copied verbatim from another source" and "I merely forgot to include attribution." But, like all defenses for literary theft, it aggravates the offense by failing to rise to the level of plausibility.

In this case, Caudill's dubious defense isn't even exculpatory: Even if he had received Nowicki-Plackett's enthusiastic blessing to recycle her speech, he was ethically bound to give her full and clear credit when quoting her.

Not having done so was a serious offense, particularly for a high school principal.

The third lesson of this teachable moment -- that with greater position comes greater accountability -- hangs in the balance.

It may sound harsh, but Jim Caudill has to go.

If he doesn't resign, the superintendent or Board of Education must demote or fire him to underscore the school's commitment to academic integrity.

Anything less -- token discipline, a formal tut-tut -- won't do. Allowing him to remain as principal would send the message that the more powerful you are, the more slack you get when you mess up.

It would turn the teachable moment into a bitter lesson.

[Shawnee123]

I like teachable moments. Most offenders don't care to learn, but it's a good moment, just the same.

[Clodfobble]

Nice. Not only did the principal plagiarize his speech at the graduation ceremony, it turns out the valedictorian did too.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Teachable moment is right. Maybe not Caudill and Su -- but others.

[freshnesschronic]

GODDAMNIT my school is gaining so much media attention and its rep is going down the crapper. There is absolutely NO REASON to plagiarize a Valedictorian speech which is only for the AUDIENCE not about a grade, getting into a school, or earning an award. HOLY SHIT what a dumbfuck.
Sorry, I'm pissed at how incredibly retarded the past graduation at my old high school has turned out.

Btw, the rumor is got rejected from Johns Hopkins and is attending the local community college for this...Stupid fuck. I took chemistry with him sophomore year when he was a freshman. How do stupid shits like this get to be valedictorian? Motherfucker...

[lookout123]

do you know how much being valedictorian will mean 5 years after graduation? we're talking high school, not harvard, get over it.

[DanaC]

There is absolutely NO REASON to plagiarize a Valedictorian speech which is only for the AUDIENCE not about a grade, getting into a school, or earning an award.

Surely that's what mitigates it. In your shoes, I'd be a damn sight more annoyed had he plagiarised in order to get better grades and get onto college courses that other students had worked hard to gain.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Surely that's what mitigates it. In your shoes, I'd be a damn sight more annoyed had he plagiarised in order to get better grades and get onto college courses that other students had worked hard to gain.

Without wanting to put words into Fresh's mouth I think his point is that plagiarism is such a big issue in the environment that this Principal teaches, how could he possibly risk the accusation for something that otherwise wouldn't even be heard outside of the school. It shows he didn't have the scholastic ideal at heart.

[Brit ref] It's like Gordon Ramsey submitting a Tesco cake to a WI competition.[/Brit ref] It calls into question everything els ehe has said and produced.

[Spectacle]

Originally Posted by lookout123

do you know how much being valedictorian will mean 5 years after graduation? we're talking high school, not harvard, get over it.

Does it matter? It's the principle of things.
The whole act of plagiarism. Unnecessary. This thing could have all been avoided if they just wrote their speeches. Personal speeches, as shitty as they may come, are far better than a plagiarized speech that is caught. He'd still be principal, and the kid would be attending Johns Hopkins.

Yes high school means nothing after you reach college. But they still fucked up, big time.