Cruel Parents - Bad Names

[Radar]

Originally Posted by monster

But did you hire well -based on their abilities, experience and potential? Or did you hire based on name and suspected racial origin?

I don't care what someone's racial origin, religion, gender, age, etc. happens to be as long as they can communicate effectively and work well with others.

I always hire the best person for the job, but at the top of every resume is the name of the person. If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.

Originally Posted by monster

And if the former, then how come you make such a pittance and can't stay in any job for an extended period?



and most of them work at McDonalds.

I've been in the computer network consulting field for about 20 years with a few periods in the middle doing other jobs when computer jobs were scarce (bartender, casino dealer, etc.). The nature of consulting is that you move around a lot. You are hired for a certain period of time for a salary higher than permanent employees.

Right now I make $85,000 a year, but on average I've always made $60k or higher. I've never worked at McDonalds, though I have worked in fast food when in high school, and I delivered pizzas for extra money when things got tough. I have always paid my bills and never taken a dime of money from any government welfare plan.

Why so interested in my job? I don't go to your job and slap the plunger out of your hand or the dick out of your mouth.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Radar

I always hire the best person for the job, but at the top of every resume is the name of the person. If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.

So maybe you don't always hire the best person for the job. Maybe the best person has a name you consider stupid. That you judge them on their name..... well... it makes you look a little..... stupid?

I've been in the computer network consulting field for about 20 years with a few periods in the middle doing other jobs when computer jobs were scarce (bartender, casino dealer, etc.). The nature of consulting is that you move around a lot. You are hired for a certain period of time for a salary higher than permanent employees.

Right now I make $85,000 a year, but on average I've always made $60k or higher. I've never worked at McDonalds, though I have worked in fast food when in high school, and I delivered pizzas for extra money when things got tough. I have always paid my bills and never taken a dime of money from any government welfare plan.

Why so interested in my job? I don't go to your job and slap the plunger out of your hand or the dick out of your mouth.

Well I also happen to be qualified in IT and I wouldn't piss on someone's overheated circuit fire for what you make. Of course you wouldn't hire me because my name would make it obvious I'm female....

[Radar]

Originally Posted by monster

So maybe you don't always hire the best person for the job. Maybe the best person has a name you consider stupid. That you judge them on their name..... well... it makes you look a little..... stupid?

The best person for the job isn't always the most qualified or best educated. You can have someone who knows pretty much everything, but if he can't get along with others, or doesn't fit in with the rest of the team, he's worthless to me.

I went through a lot of people at my last job. I've hired people and told them to pack up their things and leave before lunchtime came around. I've gone through 3 or 4 people in a week until I get someone who has skills and who can actually get along well. I've met more techs with padded resumes claiming to have skills when they don't know shit about I.T. (like you perhaps)

Originally Posted by monster

Well I also happen to be qualified in IT and I wouldn't piss on someone's overheated circuit fire for what you make. Of course you wouldn't hire me because my name would make it obvious I'm female....

I could care less about whether or not you're female, but I wouldn't hire a bitch like you. Minimum wage would be too much for your ilk.

As far as your qualifications and earnings go, congrats on making more money than me. Good for you. If I were you, I wouldn't bet your qualifications were better than mine, but it's nice that you can find work for that much money....assuming you don't really live in a trailer somewhere collecting welfare, with 2 kids that have freaky names, making up lies about being in I.T.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Radar

The best person for the job isn't always the most qualified or best educated. You can have someone who knows pretty much everything, but if he can't get along with others, or doesn't fit in with the rest of the team, he's worthless to me.

not arguing with that, but you can really tell all this from the person's name? They won't get along with you team because they will bully them based on the name? or is there a secret naming code?

I went through a lot of people at my last job. I've hired people and told them to pack up their things and leave before lunchtime came around. I've gone through 3 or 4 people in a week until I get someone who has skills and who can actually get along well.

and you don't htink that says anything about your hiring skills?

I've met more techs with padded resumes claiming to have skills when they don't know shit about I.T. (like you perhaps)





I could care less about whether or not you're female, but I wouldn't hire a bitch like you. Minimum wage would be too much for your ilk.

As far as your qualifications and earnings go, congrats on making more money than me. Good for you. If I were you, I wouldn't bet your qualifications were better than mine, but it's nice that you can find work for that much money....assuming you don't really live in a trailer somewhere collecting welfare, with 2 kids that have freaky names, making up lies about being in I.T.

right. I can live with that if it makes you feel better. But at least allow me a double-wide. Did I graduate High school? I guess not. Can i please have 3 kids? Thor may be a handful, but he's pretty cute and he might keep me in my old age. I'd miss him

[Radar]

Originally Posted by monster

not arguing with that, but you can really tell all this from the person's name? They won't get along with you team because they will bully them based on the name? or is there a secret naming code?

It's just how I feel. I want people on the team I can count on, who will work hard for me, who actually have the skills they put on their resume, and who won't make themselves or the rest of the team targets for ridicule.

Originally Posted by monster

and you don't htink that says anything about your hiring skills?

All of the candidates were supposed to have been screened by the H.R. department. Most of those I got rid of had padded resumes. Most of them lied about certifications or degrees. I know they were lying because when I put them in front of real computers, printers, etc. they stood there with a blank look on their faces. Many couldn't figure out how to answer the phone. When I hired them, I told them they had a maximum of 3 days to show me they could hit the ground running. I didn't lie to any of them.

Originally Posted by monster

right. I can live with that if it makes you feel better. But at least allow me a double-wide. Did I graduate High school? I guess not. Can i please have 3 kids? Thor may be a handful, but he's pretty cute and he might keep me in my old age. I'd miss him

You can have the best trailer in the whole trailer park. You can have a penthouse in New York. You could have several PhD's or a GED. It wouldn't matter to me unless you were applying to work for me and I think the chances of that are pretty slim.

I will tell you this, if your name was actually "monster", you wouldn't get hired.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Radar

It's just how I feel. I want people on the team I can count on, who will work hard for me, who actually have the skills they put on their resume, and who won't make themselves or the rest of the team targets for ridicule.

So it's based on your name prejudice. period.

All of the candidates were supposed to have been screened by the H.R. department. Most of those I got rid of had padded resumes. Most of them lied about certifications or degrees. I know they were lying because when I put them in front of real computers, printers, etc. they stood there with a blank look on their faces. Many couldn't figure out how to answer the phone. When I hired them, I told them they had a maximum of 3 days to show me they could hit the ground running. I didn't lie to any of them.

Would you accept this excuse from a potential employee?
really/

unless you were applying to work for me and I think the chances of that are pretty slim.

Oh so do I, hon, so do I.

I will tell you this, if your name was actually "monster", you wouldn't get hired.

note to self: have another kid (need different babypapa) and name it monster.

Do your employers ever see what you post here? I find it hard to believe they could support this crap. Especially the bit about rejecting resumes on the basis of first name not being racist. No wonder you were so touchy when i brought up your job.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Radar

If they've got an oddball name, I read no further. If someone's name is Claud Balls, I laugh and toss the resume in the garbage and I judge the other candidates based on their level of skill, education, and experience.

But why? I still don't understand what possible correlation someone's name has to their job performance. I am trying to understand why you would do this. I mean--are you afraid of being embarrassed at introducing them?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Cloud

But why? I still don't understand what possible correlation someone's name has to their job performance. I am trying to understand why you would do this. I mean--are you afraid of being embarrassed at introducing them?

Not just that. Every member of the team represents you. If they have a name that people think is funny or stupid, someone else will assume the team is stupid or not to be taken seriously. I also don't want to have to deal with fights among those who report to me when someone teases them about their name ... which happens even with adults.

If I hire someone named Frank N. Stein, people will think it's a joke.

[lookout123]

I've gone through 3 or 4 people in a week until I get someone who has skills and who can actually get along well.

I find it painfully ironic that this is a major requirement for you, of all people. I'm just sayin'. You're not exactly known as a go with the flow and fit in kind of guy.